Need help with possible aggression from a rescue we are "trialing."

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jeannieb

Boxer Pal
This will likely be long, but we need help before we make the wrong decision regarding keeping this rescue.

We have a male Boxer, almost 18 months. His name is Five-0. I cannot say enough about him. He's my baby, such a sweet sweet boy. We had a trainer come in when we first got him who suggested Doggie Daycare so that he would be well-socialized. So, he has gone to Daycare and loves it and does very well. He's popular with the other dogs and with the workers.

We realized at some point that he really needed a companion and everything I've read does say that Boxers are "better in pairs." Knowing I could not manage another pup (when we got Five-0 I was unemployed and now I work full-time, so I know I do not have the time to give a pup in terms of potty training, socialization, etc), we looked into the local Boxer Rescue.

We've been trialing a female Boxer for about 6 weeks. She is about 8 or 9 months old. I suspect she's not purebed or she's been badly bred because though she has beautiful Fawn coloring her nose is too long and her eyes are very small. She plays like a Boxer, though, and does the U-shaped, excited wiggling. So, she definitely has Boxer traits. I'll call her K.

One thing to mention is that we were told that part of the reason she hadn't been adopted was because she was "very dominant." They were excited that we had a fairly young male, as they thought it was a perfect situation for a young, dominant female.

Anyway, things have been up and down since we brought her in. We've had 4 fights/attacks that have me very shaken.

The first one was my fault, for certain - I was feeding them together because there were no signs of problems and I foolishly pulled her away from Five-0s food to direct her back to her own and she attacked Five-0. The next fight was over water. Nobody got hurt (except me, I got bit trying to get out of the way - she got my leg) with either of those and they were over quickly. But, these were not "arguments" or vocalizations, these were fights. Scary and I was just thankful my children were not around for the most violent one.

I spoke to the VP and he suggested feeding them on opposite sides of a gate so that she learned that he's allowed to eat and he feels safe eating. That worked great and he actually eats so much better because he's not being pushed off his food and he focuses on finishing so that they can be back together.


I honestly thought that would be the end of it. But, this past week we had two additional incidents. The first was after K had pulled a baggie of food off the counter and had it under the table. Both dogs were under there nosing the foods. Hindsight and all, I should have taken them away from the food first and then cleaned up the mess. But, I went to pick up the baggie and, again, K attacked Five-0. And it was uggggly. He actually ran from her and she chased him, jumped on his back and bit him. I grabbed a jacket and whipped it onto the counter and made a huge racket and they stopped. I got K outside and Five was *terrified*. Ordinarily if she's outside and he's in he'll whine at the door until she's let it or he's let out. This day he stayed right by my feet and didn't go looking for her. :(


Then, just two days later we had another incident. Fortunately my husband was there to witness this because he thought I was overreacting prior to seeing it. We were all just in the kitchen (my husband and I and the dogs) and the garage door was cracked open. That is where their food is kept. K was in there, nosing around, trying to get at food that had dropped. I took her collar and directed her back into the kitchen - it wasn't even an admonishment, I was just going to close the door. Five-0 was about three feet away, and as soon as I directed K back into the kitchen, she attacked Five-0 again. My husband was able to stop it quickly, fortunately.

I'd love some thoughts on this. I'm worried about Five-0s well-being, of course. He's acting quite fearful of her now. I am worried that any time I correct her/take something away that she'll attack him. And, frankly, I don't understand the last two incidents, why she directed anger at Five-0????

I'd appreciate any thoughts on this. FWIW, K is very well-behaved. She came to us barely knowing "sit" and now she can sit, we're working on stay, she knows "wait" (before coming indoors, for example) and we've taught her "down." She allows me to take things from her (bones/toys/stuff she shouldn't be eating) without any sign of aggression.

I just don't know that this is the "right" fit. Is what she is doing true "aggression?" Is this something that can be dealt with through intense training or with a behaviorist?

Thanks for any thoughts. I have three young children, one of which has been attacked by a dog in the past, so an aggressive dog will not work in our home.
 

jeannieb

Boxer Pal
Thanks for your reply. I did ask for their help again and was told that the answer was taking them for more walks that I should be able to "stop" K from attacking with just a look. But, it is a split second thing - she does not growl or warn, she just attacks. There is no time at *all* to give her a look, plus, she's not looking at *me* when this occurs, she's looking at Five-0.
 

TwoDogs

Boxer Insane
What she is doing is resource guarding. She sounds possessive of food that has dropped, food items that are in her bowl, food that happens to be available for stealing, and even areas where food is stored that might yield stray food bits.

Resource guarding can be very effectively managed provided that what the dog typically guards is easily identifiable (in this case its food items) and the environment is easily controlled.

Frankly, with 3 young kids around, doors and drawers are going to be left open. Stray crackers are going to be dropped. Snacks are going to be set down and forgotten about. Unless you can guarantee these thing will never happen around the two dogs, you are probably going to have more altercations. Since the altercations seem to be escalating and she has bitten humans in the fray, it is likely they will continue to escalate in severity.

If it were me with 3 young kids and another dog in the picture, I would probably return her. She would likely do very well if placed as the only dog in the household.
 

johann

Boxer Insane
This sounds sadly like the situation we found ourselves in 2 winters ago.

We adopted a 1 yr old boxer from a local shelter, knowing that he had minor resource guarding issues. He played well with our boxer and they were happy to share a water bowl and food at their trial visits. The next 6 weeks led to about 4 serious dog fights (each one getting worse) in our home/yard/on walks. It started with food, so no treats or meals unless new dog was crated in a different room. Then it was toys...so no more toys left out. Then it was being in the kitchen together during dinner prep...so no dogs in the kitchen while I was cooking. Then sniffing the same spot on a walk. The final fight was over our boxer bumping into new boxer when I got home from work. Huge fight broke out, took quite a while to break up. Both dogs ended up with injuries and I had a huge, nasty bite on my leg. The fights were escalating in intensity and frequency. After some serious tears and working with our trainer/behaviorist, we returned the dog to the shelter.

Looking back, we should have made that decision earlier. The fights have somewhat damaged our boxer- he is no longer one to run away from a scuffle, will now stay and fight. It took a good year before he could be around brindle dogs without being freaked (adopted dog was a brindle).

I cannot imagine having that dog now that we have a 9 month baby. I would be very nervous that the dog would snap or bite a child that reaches for a dropped cookie/food/etc. Or the kid would inadvertantly end up between the 2 dogs fighting over something that was dropped.
 

jeannieb

Boxer Pal
Thank you both for your reply. Resource guarding.... that would make sense, given that she attacked him twice though he was not really even around her and one fight was over water, of all things....... Does resource guarding usually start so young? K is only about 8 months old.

I've told two different people at the Rescue (after the first two fights) that I felt she'd be a *great* only dog - and I totally got poo-poo'd. She's a sweet sweet girl and really needs a good home. I am heartbroken for her, because she is definitely attached to us (me), but I can't risk my kids or Five-0. I'm already wondering if he'll be allowed back at Daycare, because I've already seen his personality change. :(



Thanks again for the input, I really appreciate it!
 

CoraBoxer

Super Boxer
How were they interacting when first met when not around food? You mentioned that now he's fearful of her.

I adopted and had one from pup. Completely different personalities, one laid back the other more energetic. I feed together but not next to each other yet. One time I tried they would have had a fight had I not been there. Same thing with toys. They are now able to play with their own in the same place and ignore the other. Also able to ignore the other but not have a toy of their own. Not where I'd love them to be playing together with one toy.

I wish I could know what my rescue has been through; all of his past. While there are things to work on, I can see improvement.. Lots of it. And they are able to lay together, play and cuddle.

Mine are both older and at puppy-teen I'm not sure I'd recommend what you are going through. Just seems like you had a dog that was well adjusted and maturing great before becoming scared. Would hate for him to learn the need for these guarding behaviors. I'd have to agree with the other posters.

Rescues do their best to match dogs, to evaluate them and give you an idea of the dogs past to the best of their knowledge but a lot of it is situational (owner, environment etc). My rescue with a significant rap sheet turned out to be a sweet heart. Could see it going the other way; not working or not being something I could deal with.

Hope it works out for you guys, and you're not completely turned off by the idea of a rescue or a pal for five-0.
 

jeannieb

Boxer Pal
Hi CoraBoxer, thanks for your reply. I'd never seen two boxers meet prior to Five-0 and K meeting. From what the Pres of the Rescue said (he is the one who introduced them, at our home, in the backyard) it was very typical. LOTS of licking of Five-0's face, running, boxing, etc. He layed on her a few times and though stressful (sooo much energy, so active, so much biting, etc) it was apparently very typical and healthy.

K bites Five-0 constantly, on his legs, cheeks, neck, etc and he tolerates it all. He's a very very patient guy. And that is part of my worry. Won't his patience wear off? And K..... I'm going to ask the rescue if she'd ever been trialed in a home with other dogs, because if so, surely this could not be her first incidence of this kind of rescource guarding. I know in her foster home she wasn't allowed around the other dogs - they were female pits. A good and sound decision from what I've read on this board, but I don't think K has ever lived with a dog before.
 

pghboxers

Boxer Buddy
I agree with some PP's - it sounds like she'd do better as an only dog (or at least a household better able to manage her around multiple dogs - with kids at your house, it gets even more complicated as you already know). I'd say go back to a single dog household for a few months, then try bringing in another dog. We adopted a year old male when our female was 3, and in the 5 months or so we've had them they have never had an altercation at all. They're best friends, cuddle together, play together, sleep together, etc. There are better matches out there for you and your family - I'd keep on truckin'. I'm sure Five-O will do great in a different home. If the rescue gives me crap about it - stick to your guns. You know what is right for you and your family, and sometimes rescues can get a little pushy for you to give it more time, or find a way to deal with it.
 

rrboxer

Completely Boxer Crazy
I agree about returning "K' back to the rescue group and I'm sure they can find a better fit for her. I'm sorry it didn't work out but it sounds best for Five-O as well.
 
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