Totally speachless....

[duke_n_mason]

Ok just a few things, first, OMG!! What IDIOTS!! I would call the humain socity if this does work. Something that I have heard, not sure how true it is, but I have heard that a male dog will not "perform" in new inviorments. So lets hope and pray that this is true and he will not "do the deed" I see that you are in Ohio what part? if you are in central then i would call CAHS. Something needs to be done to these people.

 

[marciafinn]

I too am completely speechless. My heart goes out to these dogs and their puppies who will ultimately be the ones to bear the pain this will cause.

 

[teag]

Wow

Cami,
I understand you did not quite expect the response that you are getting from your original post but you need to understand that what you have described is completely inhumane, unexacuable and unexceptable!!!!

I also understand that you are trying to educate your friend and her boyfriend but at some point if this continues you will have to step in and take some sort of action if those puppies actually are born.

As far as your friend goes, well if she wakes up from all of this and realizes that her bf is a complete !#$%&* and decides to walk away from him and his cruel beliefs then maybe there is something to salvage. But if she and her bf continue down this path, I know personally I could not be friends with anyone who thought this was ok or even stood by and watched it happen, I don't care how long I have known them!

Tami, Zoe and soon to be Kozmo

I truely hope that the dog does not become pregnant, but I fear that even if she doesn't become pregnant this time, they will try and do it again later.

 

[VTbxrFan]

Cami,
I also understand that you are trying to educate your friend and her boyfriend but at some point if this continues you will have to step in and take some sort of action if those puppies actually are born.

I am as appalled as anyone by the scenario Cami has described, but in her defense, what exactly is it that you think she can do? She's trying her best to educate her friend, but there really isn't a whole lot that she can do beyond that until they actually break a law. Maybe chopping the tails off will be a violation of law, but I don't know that for sure since docking is legal, and I think it's unlikely that Cami will know when exactly it's done and be able to do anything to stop it - she doesn't even know the guy who is planning to do that. (I don't know if banding is illegal or not, but I know it's not an uncommon means of docking.) She doesn't know the guy who is saying he's going to keep his new puppy locked up in a cage. Let's just hope there won't be any white males in the litter so this guy will give them all away.

I agree that Cami's friend's boyfriend made a very poor choice in agreeing to to breed his dog with the dog owned by this guy who sounds like a monster. But that wasn't Cami's doing. It doesn't even sound like it was her friend's doing. How is ending her friendship going to accomplish anything positive? I know that if I stopped being friends with everyone who didn't agree me with me, I'd have very few friends left. Heck, I probably wouldn't even have my husband left.

 

[Vela]

Well I honestly don't think severing a relationship with a lifetime friend over something the friend can't control is really going to accomplish anything. If Cami can help show her a better way then great! I think all of us have friends and/or relaties that do stupid things but honestly her friend isn't really involved in this situation other than as a bystander. She can't really DO anything to stop it one way or the other unfortuatnely.

I personally posted only regarding the people who were actually wanting to chop off the tails and keep the one in a crate. I still think they should have their pinkies chopped off and be put in a crate because what they want to do is terrible.

I also hope the pups are never conceived.

 

[jo.mcqueen]

really people like this should be shot...... i am sitting here hoping that your friend is very confused or a pathilogical liar!!!!!!! Really hope the dog doesn't get pregnant! Poor poor animals

 

[Super Boo]

I disagree with the friendship thing. There is such a thing as "guilty by association". I could very easily sever a relationship with someone of it was over abuse of an animal or extreme stupidity--of which BOTH are happening here. I could never socialize with this person knowing that they stood by and let this type of thing happen. The problem is with the friend allowing her "boyfriend" do this heinous thing for obvious profit.

 

[HarleyMama]

Sick people!

I am truly disgusted to hear about people in this world and their twisted ways of thinking.

Also, I too disagree with the friendship thing and completely agree with "guilty by association" with certain circumstances, this is definitly one!

In college I had a really good, close, best friend... she started dating this guy who was a total *$$ and he was mentally abusive to her and his animals (which I told her was a sign that he couldnt control himself and if he hit the animals he's hit her) anyway, long story short... she and I are no longer friends. I could not be friend with someone who could allow themeslves to be in that situation or a situation where severe animal cruelty was taking place and not standing up for it or themselves.

By this friend standing by her BF and these warped practices, the friend is sending a message that she really doesnt give a crap what happens... sorry, but anyone who can stay with someone KNOWING how they plan to cage and animal to purosly make it aggressive, contribute to animal overpopulation by breeding with NO experience and knowlege of bettering the breed, and knowing of the possible mutilation (b/c home crop jobs and neatuering, etc ARE mutilation) then they dont give two hoots about the situation and may be telling the OP what they think the OP wants to hear by saying she(the friend) is against the bf and whites owner's actions.

Sorry so long winded.

Melissa

 

[Cami]

Enough Said~

Ok, it seems like it is time to put this post to rest. I only wish I had the forsight to have known better and NOT posted about this.

I am totally 100% in agreement with everyone who posted about this being a horrendous-inexcusable- thing to do to any animal. That is why I posted in the first place, I knew that what I heard was wrong and knew that everyone here would be in agreement. I never thought I would start getting PM's that were "not so nice". To those of you who sent PM's that were very positive, I am greatful.

I am however not "guilty by association". I have never, and will never harm any living thing and always go out of my way to help or avoid any such scenerio. That is why I will continue to try and help my friend learn in this situation. NOT run for the hills to prove a point that my beliefs, though I feel are justified, are more important than anyone elses.

The fact that I chose to remain friends with what most of you percieve to be a very immoral person is your very entitlement, as is remaining friends with someone that I feel the closeness of a sister, which I have never had, is my entitlement. She again, is not the creator of this situation. The fact that her BF has a male intact dog is one of the culprits, although he is not the one who owns the female, but it is this total stranger to me that is the wicked person who told her of his plans for the pups.

This world is not perfect, nor is it made up of perfect people. I am not implying that anyone tried to persuade me into thinking that they thought they were perfect. The fact is, in my opinion that I can do more good, like I mentioned previously, in trying to educate my friend so that she may pass along this info to the owner of the female, as well as trying to persuade her BF to change his views. All I can do is try. That is all any of us can do. We can't make anyone do anything they don't want to do. We can however keep spreading the word about the positive aspects of good pet ownership. If I were to never speak to her again because of it what will it get me, her, OR the possible litter of pups?
At least this way, a seed has been planted in her mind that she may nourish into something positive.

So, please, stop with all the negitivity towards me. I am on your side. Didn't you read the original post! I was told a story that I only repeated here. My female is spayed. I am not going to ever breed any dog. I called and spoke with a local humane society and was told that it was not illegal to dock tails in either of these manners no matter how extreme is sounds, (and I know it is evil). They said that they themselves could not intervene. So the only option that most of you have given me it to terminate my friendship and that won't help the pups.

So, I apologize to those of you who have seemed offended by this story. But please remember it was not MY story, it was a story told to me. And, again, I titled it "Totally Speachless", due to the fact that it was how I felt when I heard it for the first time.

Don't shoot the messenger........

 

[Rlr.Giraffe]

Wow, I can't believe that the method of tail docking is not illegal. How insane is the world????

At any rate, I agree severing the relationship will not solve the issue. I understand that people diverge in opinions in long term friendships, and it would be terrible to waste so many years. However, I hope that you are able to monitor the situation so if anything terrible does happen, you are able to report that dud of a human being (the female's owner) to the humane society.

And I really really hope you are succesful in your campaign against the bf keeping a poorly socialized dog. I hope your friend also realizes how cruel it is and joins in your efforts to persuade him. Despite the negative comments you recieved, please keep us posted on this situation. Or PM me to tell the results. I just can't fathom that anyone would plan such cruelty, and would like to know the result of all of it!!!