Puppy Cost?
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MizJudy
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depends on where in NC you are...I got my puppy from a breeder in NC who is part of the NC boxer club and was charging $800 for a puppy. She had, however, quoted me a lower price for my baby and honored it. So I lucked out and got a well bred, health tested puppy, for less than $800. 
However, the rest of the litter ran $800ish... Out of curiosity, where about in NC is your puppy?
However, the rest of the litter ran $800ish... Out of curiosity, where about in NC is your puppy?
sweetboxer
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I agree, it does depend on where you're located. I'm in PA, and when I bought Raiden, the colored pups in his litter were going for $1800. He is white, and the whites were $500. This was a championship line litter, well-bred, health-tested, etc....$800 would be rather a steal here for that kind of litter.
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sweetboxer said:
First off, I think $1800 is outrageous....regardless of the line. Was that for pet AND show potential pups, or were they charging the same for all colored pups?
Did this breeder explain why they charge so much less for whites? I can't understand why this is done. A white boxer isn't any less of a dog than a colored boxer. Further, the expense of raising a white pup is just as much as it is for bringing up a colored puppy. If they can get away with charging $500 for the white ones, why not $500 for the colored ones? I don't understand the rationale of some breeders.
I agree with JulieM though, $800 is low-average for most parts of the country.
After speaking with a few breeders who are members of the ABC,I found the ABC recommends the ethical sales practice of white Boxers to be selling for the shared actual cost of the litter(vetting costs etc) plus mandatory spay/neuter contract. No responsible breeder should profit from the sale of a white Boxer.....although I agree as pets they are no different from colored Boxers.GoCougs said:
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sidhewlf said:
I'm not a member of the ABC, so I haven't seen the by-laws. However, show breeders who aren't members of the ABC usually conform to the ABC Code of Ethics. Nowhere in the COE does it say that white boxers can't be "sold for profit".
Personally, I believe any breeder who intentionally "breeds for profit" is of questionable morals to begin with. Most that I know only ever hope to break even, so my question stands, why charge less? I don't think it's because of any "rule", but because old school of thought is they are less of a boxer, when in fact they are not. It costs just as much to breed, whelp and rear a white boxer as it does the "colored" pets.
BW probably isn't the forum for this kind of discussion, so I hope I'm not treading on thin ice. This was just a topic of discussion between myself and a breeder/exhibitor friend of mine and thought I'd throw it out there.
Yes, I believe it does. Albeit not in especially clear language! The exact terminology is:GoCougs said:
As far as I'm aware, that is taken to mean that it is unethical to charge any more than the veterinary expenses related to that particular puppy.
That said, I think it's a rather backward way of looking at things. The puppy is part of a litter that cost money to produce - the health testing, the showing, the food, the dam's vet bills, etc. He cost no less to produce than his coloured littermates - and he'll make equally good a pet. So I see no reason why he shouldn't be sold as such.
What is more perhaps relevant as an "ethics" issue is people breeding litters that will produce white puppies. Or at least, when obtaining flash was a significant decisive factor in choosing the particular dogs to be bred (there's no standard in the world that actually asks for flash - most infer that it is more undesirable (with language such as "shouldn't be penalised")). But in doing so, you *know* you're going to produce a significant percentage of whites, and you also know they've a significant risk of being deaf. But that sort of thing has obvious problems - how in the world would you ever prove that was the motivation for the pairing, for a start LOL
Which actually brings the argument full circle. If you want to discourage people from producing whites deliberately, the best way is probably exactly as the ABC have done it - by preventing their sale for profit or even covering cost...
And with all that said, I'm still not convinced by it. Flash seems to be far more important in the show ring in the US than just about anywhere else - but those "somewhere elses" rarely have rules preventing the sale at full cost of whites. Convention makes them a little cheaper, certainly. But not rules.
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