Puppy Cost?

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Net45582

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I guess in most cases the high profile kennels have proven their lines are closer to "pure" in previous breedings,not that its a guarantee for perfect pups but there is a better chance. LOL..........in the end it comes down to you'll pay as much as you think your pup is worth to YOU. ;)
 

gmacleod

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sidhewlf said:
I guess in most cases the high profile kennels have proven their lines are closer to "pure" in previous breedings,not that its a guarantee for perfect pups but there is a better chance.
Huuummm. What exactly is "pure", in this context? You mean linebreeding or inbreeding? Not everyone would agree that that's even a good thing ;)

I'm more inclined towards GoCoug's view that people are prepared to pay extra for the label ;) Can't say it's the case for everyone, of course, but there's been more than one person join the board to announce "I've got a xxxx-boxer" as though they'd just bought a mercedes and wanted all the chrysler owners to know it :LOL: :LOL:
 

Kerry Jane

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I also think that at times, newbies are being ripped off by outrageous prices and contracts - when they don't know any better and think that this is what they have to go along with to get a show puppy. It is not always the 'big' name kennels that are charging outrageous prices......

I read a great article a while back that has stuck with me and I have been trying to find it but I can't. It was related to pet puppies - and the writer of the article was saying that breeders need to beware of charging too much money for their pet puppies, because that will turn the pet buyer toward the BYB. It was asking breeders to think carefully about how much they charged for their pets.

To me quality relates to the pedigree more than the kennel and also the health history of the line of dogs. I want to see a great producing pedigree, more than a big name kennel (not that this necessarily means a great dog).
 
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gmacleod

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GoCougs said:
You can't attack backyard breeders under the guise of, "you're just doing it for a profit", and turn around a do the same thing and justify it by saying that you health test and show. It my eyes, it's not all that different. If you are redirecting some of your profit to health testing and showing, and then charging more, your profit margin is potentially the same.

The goal of any breeder should be the "betterment of the breed." Without prejudice, and without regard for the money that can be made.
One very important difference there though is that the new puppy owner isn't being landed with a potentially sickly pup (insofar as health testing can lessen those risks) that only looks and behaves slightly as a boxer should. That's not a minor difference.

I have to say, I have no particular problem with someone making a profit from breeding dogs. Not with that specific point, in singularity. Problem is, it's hard to take that point in singularity ;)

Notwithstanding that (and I can name several reasons why I wouldn't buy a puppy from someone breeding on a scale large enough to make a consistent profit, irrespective that they might show and health test), I just don't see the money aspect as being particularly important. After all, one could equally say that the money recovered by someone who doesn't make an actual profit helps to subsidise their hobby in breeding/showing dogs... They're not breeding for the purpose of supplying the world with puppies - rather, to breed better boxers and pursue their interest in doing so. But from the perspective of puppy buyers, what's really the difference? The breeder made a profit, or if not a profit, had their hobby subsidised. In that aspect alone, I see no real difference (nor fault). And if some people are prepared to shell out big bucks for a label - does it matter? It doesn't actually prevent others from selling at more reasonable cost (and the market will dictate that the majority continue to do so).

I would note one biggy though - pups produced on the sort of scale that enables breeders to be profitable rarely, if ever, are raised in the sort of home environment conducive to making good, well socialised and balanced pets. They're out in the kennel most of the time, and with far too many of them to have a hope of the one-on-one time needed to produce a well rounded individual. So you might get 'famous' bloodlines (good snob value there) - paying "for the name on the hood" as you put it, but may actually be buying an inferior "product". Inferior in this context meaning a dog that may not perform well as the loving pet and family member it is destined (hopefully) to be... And that, sadly, is a contributing factor to why some dogs end up in shelters - so it's not a minor issue either.
 

Net45582

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gmacleod said:
Huuummm. What exactly is "pure", in this context? You mean linebreeding or inbreeding? Not everyone would agree that that's even a good thing ;)
linebreeding.....throwing high quality pups in previous pairings

gmacleod said:
I'm more inclined towards GoCoug's view that people are prepared to pay extra for the label ;) Can't say it's the case for everyone, of course, but there's been more than one person join the board to announce "I've got a xxxx-boxer" as though they'd just bought a mercedes and wanted all the chrysler owners to know it :LOL: :LOL:
:LOL: ....no doubt about that!
 

JulieM

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Another important thing to remember is that "high profile" does not always mean better quality. Often it means more money to spend, and far more dogs to show, which skews the numbers. I personally tend to look at actual results and percentages, rather than statistics and numbers - the dog who took some time but finished with four majors in tough and varied competition is more impressive to me than the dog who finished quickly but both of the majors were "built" by his breeder; the Sire of Merit who produced seven champions from two litters is a better producer in my estimation than the one who produced fifteen champions from twenty litters.

Unfortunately, our current system rewards statistics and numbers rather than results and percentages, and it is the puppy-buying public who gets duped. We've often heard here of the "most successful" kennels in the ABC - but all that really means is that they've bred the most litters.
 
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Net45582

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gmacleod said:
Not sure what you mean... Can you translate?
Well its a thin line between linebreeding and inbreeding from what I've been told.......but linebreeding uses offspring of duplicate pairings that have been proven successful in producing high quality dogs to carry on the genes by mating pups with the same parents but from different litters?.....PLEASE correct me if I've gotten this incorrect. I've not been studying breeding lineage for long..... :confused:
 

gmacleod

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Yes, it can be a thin line between linebreeding and inbreeding.

My question was actually about what "throwing high quality pups from previous pairings" meant. I assume you mean the breeder has produced good quality puppies in the past, and in this case from dogs closely related to their current ones. Yes? That's not exclusive to linebreeding ;)

Linebreeding, notwithstanding the inbreeding issue, is a double-edged sword. Not everyone agrees it is a good thing, especially if done repetitively. For one thing, it narrows the gene pool. And for a second, you may increase the chances of doubling up on desirable genes and features (which is the point) - but it equally increases the risk that you double up on undesirable ones (and that includes recessive health issues). In short, it is a practice that should only be undertaken by persons very very familiar with the particular line of dogs in question. And it is certainly not a practice I would ever use as a measure to judge the quality of a person's dogs or their standing as a breeder.
 
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