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friend of mine has a reverse brindle Boston that looks just like a mini boxer
Minature Boxers
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Tara Osment
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It worries me too because to my knowledge, no one is breeding for a miniature correctly and with the intent to solicit the breed registries for recognition of the new breed. I don't see a problem with Min. Boxers (other than that I don't like the way they look) in general but would like to see someone go through the proper steps to create them as a new breed since the public is buying them up from backyard breeders and being misinformed.
Of course, this would take years of breeding, selection, genetic knowledge, culling, health testing and more breeding until the desired type becomes true and reproduces everytime.
Of course, this would take years of breeding, selection, genetic knowledge, culling, health testing and more breeding until the desired type becomes true and reproduces everytime.
Everyone is concerned with standards of a boxer. To me it doesn't matter. The only thing that matters to me is if they look and act like a boxer. I don't even care if they have papers or not. I had a female boxer that lived to be 12 years and she had no papers. I wouldn't of traded her for anything. She was extremely smart but she had alot of health issues, but 12 years was amazing for her and she was a puppy until the day we had to put her to sleep. I'm not going to show my dogs, they are just part of our family. Now mind you now I have 3 boxers with papers and are of show quality. Does that make them any better than my other 2 with no papers? No it doesn't. The thing I have to deal with now is boxers with pimples. In all the years we have had boxers these are the first with pimples. To me, a smaller boxer would be wonderful, I would have lots of room on my lap, in our house and on our bed and I probably wouldn't have bruises on my legs because they heard a noice.
Breeding with a smaller boxer, I don't think they are playing with the breed and health wize, I don't think there would be a problem unless the parents had a problem. This is just my opinion.
Breeding with a smaller boxer, I don't think they are playing with the breed and health wize, I don't think there would be a problem unless the parents had a problem. This is just my opinion.
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Tara Osment
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<b>Loraine wrote:
Everyone is concerned with standards of a boxer. To me it doesn't matter.</b>
I'm not concerned with the Boxer standard very much at all. Since I'm in rescue, I rarely see a Boxer that meets the standard 100%. We deal with byb Boxers, some look very classic and some have long snouts and only resemble a what a Boxer is supposed to look like.
<b>The only thing that matters to me is if they look and act like a boxer.</b>
Well Min. Boxers don't look very much like a Boxer should look. They look more like a mix, sometimes mistakenly thought to be mixed with either Pit Bull or Bulldog given their shorter size.
<b>Now mind you now I have 3 boxers with papers and are of show quality. Does that make them any better than my other 2 with no papers? </b>
No because to pet owners, its the personality that counts most and if they all act like Boxers then they are all Boxers, papered or not. However, I think you are misunderstanding the reasoning for my post. Miniature Boxers look like dwarfs. And according to several vets, that is exactly what they are. That is how these little Boxers appear to some who know and love the breed. The Boxer breed is an entire package, not just a personality, but a look and size as well. If people want to make them shorter to sell them as novelties (which is pretty much how they are advertised), then I think they should do the work to get them recognized as a breed. Otherwise, in the future, it may be hard to tell what the Boxer is truly supposed to look like.
<b>To me, a smaller boxer would be wonderful, I would have lots of room on my lap, in our house and on our bed and I probably wouldn't have bruises on my legs because they heard a noice.</b>
And that is a good reason to create a new breed, but I think it should be done properly. The same as how Poodles, Dobermans & Dachshunds have been downsized. People liked them, they made for better pets in terms of size, so they were bred and became recognized due to someone's efforts by the registries.
<b>Breeding with a smaller boxer, I don't think they are playing with the breed and health wize, I don't think there would be a problem unless the parents had a problem. </b>
Since the people breeding them aren't breeding them for the betterment of the breed and are marketing them as novelties, I do feel that they are playing with the breed.
Everyone is concerned with standards of a boxer. To me it doesn't matter. The only thing that matters to me is if they look and act like a boxer. I don't even care if they have papers or not. I had a female boxer that lived to be 12 years and she had no papers. I wouldn't of traded her for anything. She was extremely smart but she had alot of health issues, but 12 years was amazing for her and she was a puppy until the day we had to put her to sleep. I'm not going to show my dogs, they are just part of our family. Now mind you now I have 3 boxers with papers and are of show quality. Does that make them any better than my other 2 with no papers? No it doesn't. The thing I have to deal with now is boxers with pimples. In all the years we have had boxers these are the first with pimples. To me, a smaller boxer would be wonderful, I would have lots of room on my lap, in our house and on our bed and I probably wouldn't have bruises on my legs because they heard a noice.
Breeding with a smaller boxer, I don't think they are playing with the breed and health wize, I don't think there would be a problem unless the parents had a problem. This is just my opinion.
Everyone is concerned with standards of a boxer. To me it doesn't matter.</b>
I'm not concerned with the Boxer standard very much at all. Since I'm in rescue, I rarely see a Boxer that meets the standard 100%. We deal with byb Boxers, some look very classic and some have long snouts and only resemble a what a Boxer is supposed to look like.
<b>The only thing that matters to me is if they look and act like a boxer.</b>
Well Min. Boxers don't look very much like a Boxer should look. They look more like a mix, sometimes mistakenly thought to be mixed with either Pit Bull or Bulldog given their shorter size.
<b>Now mind you now I have 3 boxers with papers and are of show quality. Does that make them any better than my other 2 with no papers? </b>
No because to pet owners, its the personality that counts most and if they all act like Boxers then they are all Boxers, papered or not. However, I think you are misunderstanding the reasoning for my post. Miniature Boxers look like dwarfs. And according to several vets, that is exactly what they are. That is how these little Boxers appear to some who know and love the breed. The Boxer breed is an entire package, not just a personality, but a look and size as well. If people want to make them shorter to sell them as novelties (which is pretty much how they are advertised), then I think they should do the work to get them recognized as a breed. Otherwise, in the future, it may be hard to tell what the Boxer is truly supposed to look like.
<b>To me, a smaller boxer would be wonderful, I would have lots of room on my lap, in our house and on our bed and I probably wouldn't have bruises on my legs because they heard a noice.</b>
And that is a good reason to create a new breed, but I think it should be done properly. The same as how Poodles, Dobermans & Dachshunds have been downsized. People liked them, they made for better pets in terms of size, so they were bred and became recognized due to someone's efforts by the registries.
<b>Breeding with a smaller boxer, I don't think they are playing with the breed and health wize, I don't think there would be a problem unless the parents had a problem. </b>
Since the people breeding them aren't breeding them for the betterment of the breed and are marketing them as novelties, I do feel that they are playing with the breed.
Everyone is concerned with standards of a boxer. To me it doesn't matter. The only thing that matters to me is if they look and act like a boxer. I don't even care if they have papers or not. I had a female boxer that lived to be 12 years and she had no papers. I wouldn't of traded her for anything. She was extremely smart but she had alot of health issues, but 12 years was amazing for her and she was a puppy until the day we had to put her to sleep. I'm not going to show my dogs, they are just part of our family. Now mind you now I have 3 boxers with papers and are of show quality. Does that make them any better than my other 2 with no papers? No it doesn't. The thing I have to deal with now is boxers with pimples. In all the years we have had boxers these are the first with pimples. To me, a smaller boxer would be wonderful, I would have lots of room on my lap, in our house and on our bed and I probably wouldn't have bruises on my legs because they heard a noice.
Breeding with a smaller boxer, I don't think they are playing with the breed and health wize, I don't think there would be a problem unless the parents had a problem. This is just my opinion.
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Tara Osment
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Sorry, all those <b> were supposed to indicate Loraine's comments and were upposed to be in bold.
Kodie Rae
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Well, about a year and a half ago my mom had to put her 13 y/o bulldog to sleep (very sad):( and after a few weeks she just couldn't stand it anymore so she had me search for bulldogs and I found a breeder, went and looked at the last puppy and she was the cutest thing!
and I got her, she is fawn and white with the white boots etc... and as she grew older she looked more and more like a boxer, I was amazed:eek: she does not have any bulldog traits at all and acts like a complete boxer, she has the square muzzle instead of the smashed in face, her body is wide at the chest and skinny in the rear and she does not have the short stubby legs hers are long and thin but not real tall, and if I didn't know any better I would swear she was a mini boxer!:eek:
and I got her, she is fawn and white with the white boots etc... and as she grew older she looked more and more like a boxer, I was amazed:eek: she does not have any bulldog traits at all and acts like a complete boxer, she has the square muzzle instead of the smashed in face, her body is wide at the chest and skinny in the rear and she does not have the short stubby legs hers are long and thin but not real tall, and if I didn't know any better I would swear she was a mini boxer!:eek:Just imagine years ago if someone didn't play around with the breed there would not be boxers. Originally, wasn't bulldogs used to create a boxer? I do understand about having to do it properly because now we rules and regulations and years ago they didn't. My understanding of making a boxer smaller would add years to their lives. The life span of a boxer now is approx. 9-12 years if not less. My parents had a show quality boxer with all his papers. He was a beautiful boxer. He died of a heart attack at the age of 6 years. Not nice at all. Unfortuately, I breed my dog to theirs and we kept the one pup and she died of a heart attack at 9 years. They had another boxer die of kidney failure at the age of 8 years. Their first two died at 13 and 12. I do believe they will live longer with 2 boxers. I think dying before 12 or at 12 is too soon. To improve the life span would be wonderful. When I first got a boxer my husband said you are not getting one of those (he had no experience with dogs let alone boxers), of course I had my way (haha). When Sammy and Maxi died, I swear he cried the most. He is the reason we have 3 now. They tend to get into your hearts and when they go, they leave you with such an empty feeling in your heart. To this day, boy do we miss the other two.
Don't get me wrong I do understand what you are saying. Using other breeds to make a mini should go thru the rules and reg. But if you use a smaller boxer to a smaller boxer and not incorporating another breed, how is this going to hurt, because I understand these smaller boxers live longer. If they are incorporating another breed with a boxer and advertising it as mini, I agree this is not right.
A girl I work with bought a boxer for $200 CF dollars, 2 years old. He was advertised as a boxer (of course he has no papers). He looks like a boxer but the bone structure is not the same. Plus I have never seen a boxer that is a reverse brindle. I have seen a reverse brindle on a Great Dane. If you want I can send you a picture of him and you tell me what you think?
Don't get me wrong I do understand what you are saying. Using other breeds to make a mini should go thru the rules and reg. But if you use a smaller boxer to a smaller boxer and not incorporating another breed, how is this going to hurt, because I understand these smaller boxers live longer. If they are incorporating another breed with a boxer and advertising it as mini, I agree this is not right.
A girl I work with bought a boxer for $200 CF dollars, 2 years old. He was advertised as a boxer (of course he has no papers). He looks like a boxer but the bone structure is not the same. Plus I have never seen a boxer that is a reverse brindle. I have seen a reverse brindle on a Great Dane. If you want I can send you a picture of him and you tell me what you think?
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Tara Osment
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I'd love to see a pic. Reverse brindles aren't uncommon. We've had 4 that I know of come through our rescue in the last year. The look almost black and without alot of flash, its hard to see all of their facial features.
As far as smaller Boxers have longer lifespans, I'm not entirely sure that's the case. I don't know that studies have been done on them or that there have been enough of them to study over time because as far as I know, the popularity of them is relatively new. I never thought that size factored into the Boxer's health problems. So I assume, and could be mistaken, that if they even if they are shorter, they are still prone to the same heart and cancer problems.
Have you found differently?
As far as smaller Boxers have longer lifespans, I'm not entirely sure that's the case. I don't know that studies have been done on them or that there have been enough of them to study over time because as far as I know, the popularity of them is relatively new. I never thought that size factored into the Boxer's health problems. So I assume, and could be mistaken, that if they even if they are shorter, they are still prone to the same heart and cancer problems.
Have you found differently?
Kodie Rae
Boxer Booster
From what I understand
In general.....I have heard that smaller dogs live longer because their heart does not have to work as hard, and being smaller they dont have to lug around that much more weight, that a smaller dog is easier to exercise etc.... I heard this on animal planet on E Vets I think it was, but in my opinion I dont care what size they are if they destined to have problems their gonna have problems and if the man upstairs wants to take our babies to the bridge at the age of 3, 6, 9 or 12 he's going to do it and we have no control and it's a big game of chance just like with us humans we dont know what are fate is, when it's our time to go we go, fair or unfair. I understand how important the standards are for the boxer and breeding because we all want the best babies possible.
In general.....I have heard that smaller dogs live longer because their heart does not have to work as hard, and being smaller they dont have to lug around that much more weight, that a smaller dog is easier to exercise etc.... I heard this on animal planet on E Vets I think it was, but in my opinion I dont care what size they are if they destined to have problems their gonna have problems and if the man upstairs wants to take our babies to the bridge at the age of 3, 6, 9 or 12 he's going to do it and we have no control and it's a big game of chance just like with us humans we dont know what are fate is, when it's our time to go we go, fair or unfair. I understand how important the standards are for the boxer and breeding because we all want the best babies possible.
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