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Silverstar

Super Boxer
Hey all. It's been a long time since I've been here. But, I need you. I feel the need to keep talking and keep telling myself, It'll be ok. Ya know? And I apologize for the length in advance.

So, let me tell you the story.

I have been alone (without a relationship) for nearly 10 years. Yes, I said it. 10 years. Well..several months ago, I met someone, the one I was waiting for. And it started off fabulously. We (even now) can and do talk about everything and anything. We have many of the same interests and we absolutly enjoy each others company. He has been married before for 15 years. They have been divorced for about a year. Then he met somone else and they broke it off. Then he met me. We went two weeks into the relationship and everything seemed to be going well..till (you had to know there was a till), the (and I don't use this word lightly) psycho ex girlfriend found out that he had moved on.

Backgroud info on her: She is a mother of 5 (but she says 4 because her eldest ran away and she doesn't claim her). They are from 3 different dads, etc.

Now, they were together for about 7 months and during that time, his feelings for her had grown to love. Then she cheated on him with a married man. They called it quits. She moved out (because she had moved in) and didn't look back.

A month later he met me. The feelings there (and I hate to sound all crazy but) were intense. It was like we had known each other forever. Basically, it was finding your soul mate, if that makes sense. We clicked and had a blast together. We (because we both wanted it) spent alot of time together. And things progressed fairly rapidly. Feelings grew to love quickly. And even though we tried to control these feelings (because we both knew it was too soon) it happened. And once it was said, it was like we were free to be ourselves.

Now, this woman finds out 2 weeks into the relationship and all of a sudden our world gets turned upside down. She is telling him all the things he wanted to hear when she left. And it confused him. She brought up all the "good" times in the beginning. She even proposed to him. What it boils down to, is she was loosing her security. She used the kids to manipulate his feelings, she thought she could go off and have her fun then return and he would take her back. Well....she almost suceeded.

This man, has been taken advantaged of by this woman. Used him for financial security. And the time that they were together, was not that long, but he did feel love for her. Even after all she's done to him. And it's been hard for him to sort out the lies and the truth. But in the end, he knows that he can't trust her, he doesn't care for her lifestyle or how she treats her kids. Basically, no matter how she sugar coats it, it could never work again.

Now, with us. He cheated on me, with her. Not physically but emotionally (according to him). And he is really taking that hard. His thought process is no matter what a committed relationship is just that, committed and there should not even be emotions for anyone else. (This was agreed). Because she (bringing up the "good" in the past) confused him and made him question his heart. She has threated to do me harm, though she doesn't know my name, address, phone number, etc. So there is nothing she can do to me....unless I'm there at his house. Yes, I have been spending alot of time there (mainly weekends). That was something he and I fell into purely because of how comfortable we feel.

And we questioned whether or not it was moving fast..over and over. We had mixed emotions of .... well if feels right then who are we to slow it-to-Gee it really is moving fast how do we slow down.

So, we have slowed down as of yesterday. It was discussed that our relationship had to be measured to understand where we are at. From 1 to 5. Now we started at 1 and we quickly (matter of weeks) felt our relationship was at a 4.5 nearing 5, he could have very easily asked me to marry him, and I would have very easily said yes. And this scared him, especially after his previous relationships. So, we decided to slow it down, take it back to a 1.5, 1.75 or 2. He still wants to see me, spend time with me, talk to me, just without the "committment". Because he does have issues to sort through, emotionally. He does have a psycho ex that he doesn't want to have around in any form or fashion. He wants to make sure that what we have is real (I guess), because of how quickly it developed. He said the emotion is still there, he does love me, but he needs time to get things straight. He also mentioned that there were times he wondered if we were just becoming good friends because of how well we got along (yeah..that scared me). But he quickly followed with, he knows that's not it because he does love me more than a friend. So there's an issue.

Sorry so long.....

Now, here I am. Not confused or anything (a little hurt), I understand completely why he needs this time; because he really has not been alone since his divorce, and he should have, he really should have. And although, I know we are still going to talk, see each other, just not as much. It just doesn't make it any easier, because of what I have become acustomed to. He said he doesn't forsee us in the stage 2 for very long and quickly moving into stage 3 (committed). Just enough time for him to finalize the "other" situation really. We did became great friends too, best friends I think. He said he had never felt what he does for me with anyone (including his ex wife of 15 years). This should comfort me, but I think it scares him to think of getting hurt again by someone who is that close to the type of relationship he had with his ex wife and even beyond the type of relationship he had with his ex.

So even though it's not "over" by any means, why do I feel like I lost something?
 

Net45582

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...its sounds like you feel a bit lost without the security of complete commitment. It does sound like you guys are doing the right thing by slowing down a bit. It's best to keep the friendship alive over the passion. Think with your head and not with your heart and emotions. If its meant to be forever-it will be.Good luck!
 

LeahR

Super Boxer
I would be very careful about placing number values ( i.e. 3 for committed etc) on a relationship. It either is...or it isn't. I feel strongly that people should do what they feel and not place numberical or any other restrictions on things. If you two WANT to see each other every day then do so, if you don't then don't. Very often relationships are blown out of control b/c people over analyze things, a good solid relationship whether it be love or friendship should not have to be analyzed...it should just be what it is. I hate to say it but he may not really know what he wants but he is good at telling a woman what she wants to hear ( what woman doesn't want to "talk" about a relationship and have that relationship put into a certain specification???) so that he can essentially have his cake and eat it to. If you care for him then give him the space but in the meatime don't put your life on hold either, as painful as it may be to hear, alot of men ( or people in general) get a sense of power when they feel as though they have some sort of emotional control over anothers life. I am not saying or implying that he is a bad man, these types of things are often on a subconcious level. Look at the facts, not the emotional garbage "reason" or analysis that goes with them. Fact: he does not want a commitment, Fact: he wants to control his ( and your) feelings by placing boundaries on them Fact: he is recently divorced, recently broken up from another relationship ......... I mean what if you do love him??? you are not allowed to because your relationship at this point is numerically defined as a 1 or a 2???????? That is just not a fair or even a practical way to look at love, friendship or a relationship.
 

hldavis

Completely Boxer Crazy
Sounds like your doing the right thing and slowing things down. You need to however separate yourself from him this way the hurt isn't as bad keep yourself occupied with other friends etc.. As the old saying goes if you let it go and it returns then it was meant to be.... Also do not put your life on hold for him maybe once he realizes your going on it might force him into a quicker decision for fear of loosing you. Relationships are hard no question.
 

Louise501

Boxer Insane
He has been married before for 15 years. They have been divorced for about a year. Then he met somone else and they broke it off. Then he met me

I don't think this man is ready for another relationship, I feel he needs to be on his own to get over this last relationship before embarking on another. I'd say be careful, some men just can't be on their own and go from one relationship to another without dealing with anything. :)
 

rockysmommie

Super Boxer
Wow, that's a lot to take in, but I agree, I think you're doing the right thing by slowing things down. It sounds like he genuinally cares about your feelings and that's why he wants to take time to sort our his own feelings. I also agree, if it's meant to be, then it will be. But I understand that in the mean time it's difficult to wait to see what will happen. Just keep yourself occupied as much as possible with other things. If he's scared of so many other things happening in a relationship, it might scare him if you're sitting around and waiting for him and not having a life of your own. Good luck, I hope all turns out well.
 

joncads

Completely Boxer Crazy
This bloke really does come with alot of emotional bagage!!! Think you are best to slow things down..... there is so much going on in this mans life that I'm surprised if he knows his own name let alone how he feels about anyone!!
 

Silverstar

Super Boxer
Thanks everyone. Even before I posted this I thought about everything you have mentioned. It just helps to talk it outloud in a sense to get through what we have to get through. I appreciate it. :)
 

xenaprincess

Boxer Insane
First, Silverstar, nice to see you back on board! I've often wondered where some of the old regulars have gone! cool2icon
Now, I'm really not getting why he needs to re-evaluate his feelings for his ex! If I understand correctly, they were together 7mths, she has 5 kids from other men, and then she cheats on him...after ONLY 7 months!!! What's to re-evaluate?? She sounds like a horrible person. Then he meets you...total opposite of her, and he falls in love. So, messed-up ex professes she still loves him, even though she betrayed him, and now he's confused??!! I don't get some men...really! IMO...let him find himself, but you keep living your life. It's very difficult to keep things at a 1.5 - 2 level, because he's messed-up emotionally, when your feeling 5! Your heart does not work on a numerical value basis! I truly HATE when ex gf's or wives manipulate men by using children! There lies his answer! ;)
Whatever happens, I wish you happiness. Good luck and keep us posted. :)
 

Silverstar

Super Boxer
Thanks xenaprincess...it's nice to come back home. I've missed being here. Things have just been crazy. I really do just need to make time to be here more. Lately, I look but don't post.

Anyway....

I understand and I feel the same way. Why do we have to evaluate and analyze our relationship. If we are comfortable and at ease, if we have a blast together then why mess things up by trying to tear it apart to dissect it?

Well he called me yesterday, to tell me that he didn't want to do that and how wrong he was for even trying to. He didn't want to change anything. He feels what he feels and that should be all he needs to know. There shouldn't be any second guessing, any analyzing or anything of the sort. And he doesn't want to put our relationship on a scale by any means, we should just let things happen naturally and whatever happens happens. He said he is just a little scared and didn't know how to handle it when it came to how intense his feelings were for me. He always said that what we have exceeds what his ex wife and he had for 15 years, and that...scares him.

I have to honestly say, after knowing her conversations (being there for two or three). She uses those kids like there were some kind of currency or leverage. She manipulates his good intentions for the kids to get what she wants for herself. I really don't think his "residual feelings" has anything to do with her, but the kids. He told me once that if she left them (even now), he would take them in as his. He feels so bad that they are having to be with a "mother" like her. When she found out about me and him....she threatened to kill herself. She texted him and told him that she took so many pills and doesn't know if she'll wake up or some BS like that. She's scum and she's taken advantage of him for way too long. I'm sure she's done this type of thing over and over again to lots of men.

What I keep telling him is ..... I really do understand, but they are not his, he doesn't have a responsibility towards them in anyway. And if he wants to be happy with anyone, regardless of who it is...he'll have to learn to not care because she'll always use the kids against him. She knows it. And that...is not right. Someone needs to report her to CPS ;)
 
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