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Valantar

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MD and PA search

Hello! I am from western Maryland and originally from PA. When we searched for Samson a year and a half ago, we were looking in probably some of the same areas as you are. I know it is frustrating to find a breeder with an available puppy, but reputable breeders do exist in these areas!!

According to the rules, I am not allowed to post the name of my breeder on BoxerWorld, but we were able to find a puppy in a small kennel in south-western PA. The breeder doppler and holtered both sire and dam. The dogs were tested for thyroid, liver, kidney, and cardiac panels every 10 months or prior to breeding. I paid $700 for Samson and she personality tested the puppies prior to placement (and did an excellent job finding us a puppy that fit with our family style). The interviews on the phone and the contracts were extensive, but well worth it. My advice if you find a good breeder is to put your name on the waiting list. We placed our name on the list in November and were called in February for a puppy.

Our second choice was with a breeder around your area - the puppies were $1000, but they weren't expecting a litter for awhile. I know that they also did extensive health testing with their dogs.

Prior to finding boxerworld, we had contacted a BYB in PA who sold their puppies for $400. When I found out about all of the health testing that should be done, I emailed them and they gave me the same reply that they have never had health problems in all the years they were breeding. (They also emailed me a picture of their rare white and black boxers). I'm happy we continued the search which led to Samson.

When we added a second dog to our family, we ended up getting her from our local animal shelter. When the time comes to add other members to our family, we plan on going through a rescue. Right now, there are two that I donate to (and browse the dogs weekly) :) Both cover the northeastern US (including MD). One site has 40 dogs posted and the other has around 12 - many of them are under a year old.

I hope this information helps!! Good luck in your search! You have lots of support from BoxerWorld members.
 

TheBoxerCrew

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Maggie'sMom said:
I have also heard horror stories of putting 2 females together.

Yes, this CAN be an issue. An issue I have considered carefully. I guess I have been BLESSED with Lillie, who is female but the most MALE acting girl I have ever known. She mothers everything, yes.......but she has NO interest in being an alpha. Emma has no interest either. My neighbor's dogs stayed over the other night while he worked a double, and we had NO issues with another girl dog in the house.

I have taken Lillie to visit the dog and pups at the vet's home, and the momma dog and Lil just licked each other and then Lillie laid down and played with the pups. The vet, his wife and I were prepared for some grumbles and growls, but never heard them. Since my last client on my schedule cancelled for the today, I had a few hours to kill and packed up Lillie & Em to go play at the Vet's house. Momma dog (good heavens she needs a better name) actually left her pups and went outside and tried to play. After about 5 minutes though, she was too tired and wanted back in. I took the pups out and they played with Lil & Em for a little while but then I brought them all in due to the heat. I know this could be different on the "home turf", but Lillie is pretty accepting of anything canine or feline in my yard.

Yes, the pups are both female. Both have their full tails. Both have dewclaws. One is rather plain and one is flashy fawn. I will get some pics of them all after they get here and settled.
 

Maggie'sMom

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First of all meant to say if one of the pups were male, I would take it-
Sorry... I wouldnt put 2 females together. I need to proof read before I send.

Dunkin & the Boxer Crew, I am so sorry to hear your stories. I can not believe that people are so inhuman to animals. These stories break my heart. I love my baby so much I can not imagine anyone treating her or any other dog like trash. I had decided after all your comments that I could hang in there, and maybe this is not the right time for me. Maybe next spring would be best.

Then....
Last evening I may have found a puppy on an internet puppy finding service. The breeder is from Mississippi. ( I am in Maryland) She has done health testing, and I have the pics of the 2 week old puppies. I even have 3 to choose from.
I am sooo excited!!!! She seems like a good breeder. How do I ask for the hard copies of the test results? Now or right before I get the puppy?

Well, my best friends reaction when I told her was not what I expected and I'll start a new thread on this one- under boxer ring ( it doesn't belong here)

Thanks again for everyone's support! I do not know how I would have survived without my Boxer Buddies from Boxer World
Ellen
 

Maggie'sMom

Super Boxer
Boxer Crew, I noticed on another thread that Mindy was stolen. I am so sorry for you. It must be really hard to deal with that- I do worry about this sometmes when Maggie is outside by herself. People always slow down to look at her.
Ellen
 

Kerry Jane

Super Boxer
Ask the breeder right now whether she is prepared to provide you hard copies of the health tests for both parents - and if she is ask her to send them to you. There is no reason that I can think of to wait for this information.

I assume that she said that she did the health tests?
 

Maggie'sMom

Super Boxer
She said she did do health testing, I specifically asked about each test and she yes.
I guess before I get my hopes up even more- I should ask her to send the hard copies asap.
Thanks
Ellen
 

Maggie'sMom

Super Boxer
The puppies are not doing well. The mom is not making enough milk. I hope they make it. She said she didnt start the vitamin supplement early enough, because the mother had so much milk last litter. She is worried, and so am I.

I started a new thread on this in hopes to hear other stories of puppies making it through, in case no one reads this.
Ellen & Maggie
 

Maggie'sMom

Super Boxer
Puppies are better but no health papers

The puppies are doing much better and being bottle fed. However, The breeder said she asked the male for proof of papers and they said they don't have. It was that confusion about health testing vs health tested by the Vet.
So she said she should have asked for proof before she bred. Dah....
Okay so there is only possible proof on one side. I am still asuming -I still haven't seen proof. She did apologize. So is one side better than no side or is it still best to wait till I get both sides. I should have known- the puppies were only $600.00. All the puppies that I have come across by good breeders that do health testing are selling for $1000 and up- which I guess is worth it.
 

Kerry Jane

Super Boxer
That explanation sounds way too fishy for me...I would pass. I really can't see any responsible breeder not fully checking out the health tests upfront, and getting proof. It doesn't sound like she even asked about it prior to breeding. Based on this I would seriously doubt that her dog has been tested.

I would recommend you keep looking....
 
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