Well I finally went to go look at the pup I was hoping to bring home. A white female. I was just going to meet her but wasn't planning on taking her for 2 more weeks. Instead I was convinced to buy a white male, because the female was very timid. I was also somehow convinced to take him home right then. My fault of course. What I'm writing about though is the dishonest breeder. I realized this morning that both of his testicles are undescended at 3 months. I absolutely prefer to wait 18 months to neuter a male, but waiting would be unsafe for the dog, risking testicular torsion. I'm less worried about cancer but if he got torsion while I was at work he may not survive. This was suppose to be a reputable breeder, charging $1500 for a brindle, $600 for a white. Of course you use a reputable breeder to avoid health problems but this poor little guy has come with a big one already. I should have looked for this yesterday but expected a reputable breeder to disclose something like this. No wonder she was pushing for the male to go. I'm pretty upset and am stopping payment on the check I gave her. I wanted to get some opinions though. How would everyone else proceed? Any cost savings from buying a white pup is effectively negated by the increased cost of the neuter also.
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BxrMommieNAZ
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Well, I have a white pup that had an undescended testicle. First off, it only ran me an extra $40 for the neuter (through a clinic, it would have been an extra $100 through my regular vet), trust me, I saved FAR more than that in getting him being white ($300) versus his sisters that both went for $1,700. Secondly, undescended testicles does not mean the breeder was a bad breeder. Should they have told you about it? Yes absolutely (you may want to go back and let them know, just in case they did not for whatever reason). However, once you neuter him (which by the way you can wait until 12-18 months if you choose to, even in his "condition"), he will be no different than any other neutered dog, and since a white pup should not be bred anyway, I am not seeing how you were "duped". Undescended testicles does not change his health prognosis long term (as long as you get him neutered which sounds like you planned on anyway), you shouldn't breed him, but again a white should not be bred anyway, and it doesn't change his personality any, so I'm not seeing where there is a huge issue.
Once you get him neutered (12-18 months would still be okay), he will be no different than if you had received a pup with descended testicles and had them neutered. So I wouldn't be concerned. I would not stop payment on the check you gave her, as that will open yourself up to legal issues, as at that point you are effectively stealing the dog. If you have a contract you will have to go by that, but again, undescended testicles are relatively common and really not a big issue. We had my boy neutered at 6 months (I would have done that regardless of the testicle issue), he's now 4 years old and, aside from allergies which has nothing to do with testicles, he is completely healthy and happy.
Once you get him neutered (12-18 months would still be okay), he will be no different than if you had received a pup with descended testicles and had them neutered. So I wouldn't be concerned. I would not stop payment on the check you gave her, as that will open yourself up to legal issues, as at that point you are effectively stealing the dog. If you have a contract you will have to go by that, but again, undescended testicles are relatively common and really not a big issue. We had my boy neutered at 6 months (I would have done that regardless of the testicle issue), he's now 4 years old and, aside from allergies which has nothing to do with testicles, he is completely healthy and happy.
I would agree with you if it wasn't for the dozens of online accounts, as well as personal friends, who have seen dogs need emergency neuters due to testicular torsion. Some don't make it, especially if you aren't home when it begins. The chances are significant. My go to dog guru, who is a behavioralist, vet, breeder, and dog daycare owner, knows exactly the risks and recommends neuter asap on dogs with 2 undescended testicles. No later than 6 months really. It's dangerous to wait 18 months. Any vet would agree. I spoke to the breeder and she's offering to let me keep the pup for free, and says she didn't know. I believe her, but I'm now considering simply asking to exchange him for the female. She's timid, but she may grow out of it. Stopping the check would only be stealing if I had no intention of returning the dog.
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BxrMommieNAZ
Boxer Insane
Why give him back over undescended testicles? It doesn't increase his risk for ANY other issues. Many many many folks on here have had the same "problem" without any issues whatsoever. The neuter is a little more invasive (mine had 3 incisions versus one), but is still a relatively quick recovery time (It was a week for us). Again, doesn't change his personality any, behavior any, or increase (or decrease) his chances of any other health issue whatsoever, it really doesn't change anything important. I truly don't mean this offensively, but what if he ends up with hip problems or cancer or a heart condition later on down the road? Would you give up on him then too? Seems rather silly to give back a pup over something that is a very simple fix and doesn't cause any issues whatsoever once it is taken care of, especially when the personality of the other pup doesn't seem all that great.
And personally my vet had no issue with me waiting until a year to neuter my boy, they push for 4 months at their office regardless of circumstances, but she knew me and knew I wasn't irresponsible, so medically speaking she had no issue waiting until 12 months. You obviously can do as you choose, but mine was neutered at 6 months and at 4 years old has nothing wrong with him and is very healthy (as are many others on this board).
SabrinaMN
Boxer Booster
My 15 week old BOxer has one descended testicle. No one could have known as I got him at 6 weeks old (yes, too young, I know). I would never, in a million years, trade him in for this. I wouldn't have been able to if I had only had him a day either.
There is legal action she could take if you stopped the check.
There is legal action she could take if you stopped the check.
There are health issues associated with neutering early. Not many, but I do feel later is better. In every instance thus far I've noticed differences in appearances as well. Typically early neautering results in taller lengthy dogs. Of course I would treat cancer, having a dog come down with something is entirely different from purchasing a dog that is suppose to be perfectly healthy and finding out that isn't the case. Keep in mind my current boy has one undescended testical, but I'm waiting to neuter because the risk is less than half that of two undescended. The main reason I keep him in doggy daycare is so he has supervision during the day, should torsion occur. I'm moving too far from the daycare so I'm setting up cameras so I can monitor him from work. He only has 7 months to go though, and a second dog with increased risk and 15 months to go would stress me out pretty bad. Between feeding raw, daycare, and health insurance my expense is over $500 a month for my current boxer, believe me when I say I am not an insensitive owner. I want to ensure the longest life I can for my dogs, and I'd prefer to start with very healthy pups. If you don't believe early neuter causes some issues down the road, or that testicular torsion is a big threat, please do more research. Again, if torsion happens while I'm at work he may not survive. No amount of planning will fix that.
Believe me I wouldn't trade mine for anything either, and even with the one undescended I paid $2000 for him. The major difference was it was disclosed to me.
BxrMommieNAZ
Boxer Insane
Yes, Boxer females especially are notorious for not getting along with other larger female dogs (and many times females in general). No guarantee with any sex obviously, but often times females/females is a bad combination.
CrazyCharlie
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I would see what your vet suggests. I did Charlie at 8 months. Of course he weighed more then and so it cost more. Apparently its done by weight (I didnt know this). But I didnt want to do it until he was at least 8 months. Our girl was done when she was 3 months. She was a rescue and it had to be done before she left.
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