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mdowling

Boxer Buddy
Originally posted by GoofyGirl
Mdowling:
The point in a nutshell?
Well bred dogs don't "snap".

How would you know a full grown dog in a shelter is well bred? thanks for making my point. And I'm quite positive even some expensive dogs with great pedigrees have had bad offspring that have snapped.
 
Originally posted by mdowling

Should they just be thrown away because they're one inch to tall of the "boxer standard" and not "show quality" it all sounds a bit snobbish to me.

That is not what anyone here is saying at all. Please go back and reread the posts....
 

KC

Super Boxer
You asked for "cautions." Well, you have been given what you asked for, but since you have obviously already made up your mind, I can't help but wonder why you even asked.

I am sorry that you seem to be choosing to contribute to the poor breeding of boxers and to the pet overpopulation crisis. You are undermining all that most of us work so hard for - whether in breeding, rescue, or educating others.

You have been given all the information you need to make a responsible decision. I wish you would.
 

mdowling

Boxer Buddy
I don't see how I contribute to overpopulation when I gave a puppy a home. Would it have been better for nobody to buy these dogs and have the entire litter euthenized? overpopulation stems from people not getting there dogs spayed or neutered. I intend to get my dog neutered.
 

VTbxrFan

Boxer Insane
Originally posted by mdowling


First off I never leave my son alone with my puppy I never said that I did, but a grown dog with one bite can do terrible damage. Reardless of your opinion when my puppy is 6 months old, he will have lived with my son for four months. And be better adjusted to him, so it does lessen the risk, are you seriously going to argue that it is in no way better to raise a puppy with a child. Than it is to bring home a full grown dog to co-habitate with your young child. It's common knowledge that it is.

Well I'm very glad to hear that you don't leave your son alone with your puppy because the bottom line is that dogs and young children should always be supervised, no matter where the dog c came from. And it is as important to teach children how to behave with dogs as it is to train the dogs. But with your other comment, honestly I would be much more comfortable adopting an older, temperament-tested boxer from a reputable rescue group that had been fostered with children than I would getting a new puppy with a young child -- especially a puppy from a backyard breeder without a known, multiple generation history of good temperaments in the line. Puppies do not always understand that people, especially small children and babies, are still ahead of them in the pack and I wouldn't want them learning that on my children if I could avoid it. Plus boxer puppies are generally very, very energetic -- for several years -- I think my child would be more likely to be injured by an exuberant puppy that hasn't learned to behave yet than it would with a more mature boxer that has calmed down a bit and learned that all people (even the little ones) are pack leaders. I love my young boxer's energy and spirit -- but I know he will only get better with age. To me, the very best years are from 5 yrs on with boxers!

I'm not trying to argue that you should rescue instead of getting a puppy -- it's a personal choice and both are wonderful options -- but intentionally choosing a cheaper puppy from a BYB is just plain wrong. If you can't afford the expense of well-bred puppy, then you can't afford to be dog owner. It's that simple. Pets cost money and you need to be prepared to spend a big chunk of money with no notice in the event of a health crisis or accident. (I know this from personal knowledge -- Dallas had to have surgery a month after I got him for $2000. Of course it wasn't fun to pay that money, but I had made it a point to wait until I had an emergency stash of money BEFORE I got a dog so I would be prepared for unexpected expenses.)
 

KC

Super Boxer
I was referring to the original poster - who asked for tips and cautions. Since that person went on to say the vet had given the all clear, etc. it seems that he/she is not interesting in taking our advice. That was not meant for you - though I will say that by sharing your view with other who don't know better and by buying a puppy from a BYB in the future - you will be doing the same thing. You see, buying from a BYB gives them motivation to continue to breed. If no one paid for their puppies . . . they would have no reason to continue to behave so irresponsibly.

Sorry for the confusion.
 

GoofyGirl

Boxer Booster
Originally posted by mdowling


How would you know a full grown dog in a shelter is well bred? thanks for making my point. And I'm quite positive even some expensive dogs with great pedigrees have had bad offspring that have snapped.

Good breeders ensure as best they can that their dogs are not placed in homes that are not "reliable" and often if the dog is not able to be kept in an adoptive they will take the dog back or put him in private rescue. BYB's, on the other hand, do not always take the time to screen adoptive dog owners and do not maintain contact after the adoption. Yes chances are a lot of the dogs in kill shelters could be BYB dogs, which further illustrates my point. It is that very happenstance that we are trying to avoid.

Again, that being said mdowling........we obviously have a disagreement here that will not be resolved. You are not going to convince me to support back yard breeders, and neither am I going to convince you that you are supporting people that are ultimately damaging to the breed.

I, however, am in compliance with the rules of this board that we are sharing and you are not.
Shoo.
 
Originally posted by KC
I think you mean GENETIC (coming from genes) - however it certainly is a GENITAL (sexual organ) problem when you get right down to it!!!! :D
ROFLMAO :LOL:
HAHA sometimes i have to laugh at myself

Mrowling- Like KC said, we have given you plenty of info to go off of.
i pity you and what eventually will happen if you keep buying BYB pups, but again you get what you pay for and you get what you deserve.
Because of people with your mentality, you are contributing to the problems that rescues deal with everyday.
Re: overpopulation. i am happy that you will have your dog neutered, one less byb pup able to reproduce there poor genetics but for the other thousands of byb's out there, they contribute to the problem because when something goes wrong the owner gives rescue the dog while they go and get a "newer" version or dog. They do not go back to the breeder because byb's do not care about the quality they produce, the care about the quanitity
 

mdowling

Boxer Buddy
Originally posted by GoofyGirl




I, however, am in compliance with the rules of this board that we are sharing and you are not.
Shoo.

Wll I didn't mean to break the rules, if it upset you I'm sorry, I thought we were having a resonable discussion like adults do. But I will speak no further on the subject if hearing differing points of view upset you.
 

mdowling

Boxer Buddy
Originally posted by Sube Ru's mom

i am happy that you will have your dog neutered, one less byb pup able to reproduce there poor genetics but for the other thousands of byb's out there,

I think my dog is perfect and I love him, I think you may be a little snobbish with your dog.
 
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