I am about to put my bitch in pup (next couple of days) I have found a well breed male (perk of working at a kennel / cattery) and they meet earlier last week and got on real well. I was just wanting any tips, cautions people may have. First time for both of us you see. Pics here http://groups.msn.com/KatrenaMcDonald/shoebox.msnw
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Eric J
Boxer Insane
Please do a search on health testing. Both dogs should have hips, heart and thyroid checked before breeding as a minimum. This is one of the most important parts.
Also, I am curious for your reason to breed? This is a rather hot topic on BW, because breeding done correctly actually loses money for the breeder (health tests, food, vet checks for puppies and mother, etc) and most people dont understand that or worse some cut corners (thus Backyard Breeders are born).
I took a peak at your pictures, Cassidy is a cutey, love the picture with the lamb.
Also, I am curious for your reason to breed? This is a rather hot topic on BW, because breeding done correctly actually loses money for the breeder (health tests, food, vet checks for puppies and mother, etc) and most people dont understand that or worse some cut corners (thus Backyard Breeders are born).
I took a peak at your pictures, Cassidy is a cutey, love the picture with the lamb.
vasha
Boxer Pal
Macca -
I'd strongly consider doing some research before breeding Cass (who is VERY cute btw). Maybe after you get her health tested you can "sit in" on a few whelpings with a more experienced breeder so that you can get a better idea of what exactly going through a pregnancy and birthing process entails.
VaSHa
I'd strongly consider doing some research before breeding Cass (who is VERY cute btw). Maybe after you get her health tested you can "sit in" on a few whelpings with a more experienced breeder so that you can get a better idea of what exactly going through a pregnancy and birthing process entails.
VaSHa
Peggy G
Boxer Insane
some web sites to check out first.
http://my.erinet.com/~ghost/breed-or-not.htm
http://www.geocities.com/learntobreed/
http://my.erinet.com/~ghost/breed-or-not.htm
http://www.geocities.com/learntobreed/
Sube Ru's mom
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Macca-
-What is the reason you are wanting to breed?
there are enough dogs in shelters and in rescue without adding to the overpopulation.
-Are you doing the required health testing- hips, heart, etc etc?
-What are the temperments of the parents and grand parents of the dogs? this is VITAL. you and the other owner might have 2 great boxers, but if the grand mother/grand father of one of them showed any aggression or other tempermental issues it can be passed down the line
-Are you going to have a breeding contract- if the owner can not keep the puppy/puppies then they come back to you.
-Are you going to give a lifetime health guarantee? if you do the health testing you can offer this.
-Are you going to have stated in your contract that the owners must keep in contact with you, so you know how the puppies are doing
- this is your first breeding, have you spoken with and been around other breeders to get all the info you can from them?
- do the dogs meet the BOXER STANDARDS??? ALL the standards
Not trying to put down you decision but breeding is a big deal and a lot of people bred for the "experience" not for the betterment of the breed. this is a NO NO!!! these are the people that are Backyard Breeders, the ONLY reason to breed is for the betterment of the breed. If that is not your reason then you shouldnt be breeding.
If you have done, or are going to do all the above and they both meet the standards, then i dont see a prob with breeding the 2 dogs and there are plenty of breeders on here that can help you.
-What is the reason you are wanting to breed?
there are enough dogs in shelters and in rescue without adding to the overpopulation.
-Are you doing the required health testing- hips, heart, etc etc?
-What are the temperments of the parents and grand parents of the dogs? this is VITAL. you and the other owner might have 2 great boxers, but if the grand mother/grand father of one of them showed any aggression or other tempermental issues it can be passed down the line
-Are you going to have a breeding contract- if the owner can not keep the puppy/puppies then they come back to you.
-Are you going to give a lifetime health guarantee? if you do the health testing you can offer this.
-Are you going to have stated in your contract that the owners must keep in contact with you, so you know how the puppies are doing
- this is your first breeding, have you spoken with and been around other breeders to get all the info you can from them?
- do the dogs meet the BOXER STANDARDS??? ALL the standards
Not trying to put down you decision but breeding is a big deal and a lot of people bred for the "experience" not for the betterment of the breed. this is a NO NO!!! these are the people that are Backyard Breeders, the ONLY reason to breed is for the betterment of the breed. If that is not your reason then you shouldnt be breeding.
If you have done, or are going to do all the above and they both meet the standards, then i dont see a prob with breeding the 2 dogs and there are plenty of breeders on here that can help you.
Macca, if you have to ask for tips, you aren't ready to breed. I promise I'm not trying to be rude and this isn't to say that you never will be ready - just please slow down for a minute and do lots more research. Looks like you are already seeking information and that's great! 
Just keep researching and don't breed thinking you'll just figure it out as you go. Get the education first - then the puppies!
Cass is beautiful - but, that doesn't mean she's up to breed standard and should be bred.
Just keep researching and don't breed thinking you'll just figure it out as you go. Get the education first - then the puppies! Cass is beautiful - but, that doesn't mean she's up to breed standard and should be bred.
Boxer_21
Boxer Insane
I agree with everyone else. Please do more research on the breed, on breeding in general, and of course health testing. Health testing should be done before someone even considers breeding. Testing enures that you've done your part to ensure healthy and long living puppies.
By doing research, you'll hopefully get more of an idea of what to expect and you'd get the "tips" and "info" you're seeking. Another good idea would be to contact the breeder that you've gone through (if possible). Maybe they'd be more than happy to have you "shadow" a litter or two before you set out on your own. We learn from experience so perhaps shadowing a bit would give you a bigger insight on the whole process. It may even tell you that breeding isn't for you which would save you a lot of regrets.
By doing research, you'll hopefully get more of an idea of what to expect and you'd get the "tips" and "info" you're seeking. Another good idea would be to contact the breeder that you've gone through (if possible). Maybe they'd be more than happy to have you "shadow" a litter or two before you set out on your own. We learn from experience so perhaps shadowing a bit would give you a bigger insight on the whole process. It may even tell you that breeding isn't for you which would save you a lot of regrets.
mdowling
Boxer Buddy
I don't know if I agree with everyone here. If you have two good dogs breeding them and finding them good homes can do a great service for families out there who want a boxer, but can't afford AKC certified breeders prices. My wife surprised me with a puppy I'm guessing from a "backyard breeder" because of the low price. She met the parents they were both boxers, very sociable and friendly. I took him to the vet to get a checkup, shots, and worm check. The vet told me he was a beautiful dog, and physically great condition. So my family got a great puppy for a smaller price, the breeder got some extra cash. I don't think she's contributing to overpopulation because her puppies sell fast and find homes. I have a small child so for me bringing home a full grown dog wasn't an option as it isn't for most people. So what's wrong with breeding dogs for families? isn't this what they did for hundreds of years before just recently?
Sube Ru's mom
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I take it you do not work with rescue? associate with rescue or even own a rescue correct?? because if you did ANY of the above you would know the reason we stress RESPONSIBLE BREEDING.
Majority of dogs in rescue are from BYB's.
Let me give you a little background info. I have a BYB pup, she was found on the side of the road at 4 weeks, with 4 other dogs, rescue got her and NURSED her back to health, she was emaincipated, covered in feces, had scarpotic mange, ALL together a BAD pup, NO ONE thought she would make it. She was too young and had to many things wrong. Well RESCUE went out of their way and cared for this dog day and night, she made it and i adopted her at 5 months, 5 MONTHS to recover!. at 10 months she was diagnosed with SEVERE hip Displaysia, AT 10 MOnths!! So not only did this dog almost die at 4 weeks she now has severe hip displaysia, for some people this is no big deal. For me IT IS HUGE!!! This is not ANY dog this is MY dog and her name is Subi!!! If she had been RESPONSIBLY bred, she would not have been found on the side of the road in the shape she was in and would not have HD. Sure she will have an average life for the next few years but when she starts to hit about 6 she will have issues running with her sister Bailey, she will not be able to climb steps as easily as she can now, she will not be able to jump on the bed and cuddle with mommy. BUT she will have the best that I can give her!!
This is a situation i would not wish on my worst enemy, it is truly heartwrenching to know that she will not be able to do everything bailey can when she gets older.
Subi is the product of a backyard breeder, many dogs in rescue are products of backyard breeders, dogs with health and hip issues are products of backyard breeders.
My advice before PROMOTING irresponsible breeding and backyard breeders maybe you should take home one of these dogs and realize the emotional strain that goes into owning a product of BYB.
Breeder charge the high prices to pay back what they have spent on their dogs,; medical exams, health testing, hip testing, temperment, etc etc, they give health guarantees to back up what they have charged and they take the dogs back if something happend- BYBS dont do this, they go to RESCUE!
We, rescues, are crowded enough without peolpe going and promoting IRRESPONSIBLE BREEDING!
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