"breeder" selling at 3 weeks - HELP!

[sminoleboxer]

Please don't think I am trying to start an argument or upset anyone but I think something gmac stated really needs to be said again. Please don't think if you buy a pup from a BYB that you are doing a rescue. The only message the BYB gets is 'I got paid'. As long as someone is willing to pay these people they will continue to breed. When people stop buying from them they will go out of business. If no one buys these pups this woman will have to give them away maybe even to a rescue and hopefully think twice about breeding. It won't take but once or twice and that's one less BYB. Gmac does a much better job of explaining this than I can but I hope you get my point.

 

[AJsMom]

Maybe you should print out this thread and let Amanda and Cassie read it..... Let them know that you're not the only one "obsessed with the dogs". I for one couldn't wait to get online this morning to check - and I was SOO hoping that you were going to say that AC had been called and the situation was resolved.

 

[CarolynRuth]

Please don't think I am trying to start an argument or upset anyone but I think something gmac stated really needs to be said again. Please don't think if you buy a pup from a BYB that you are doing a rescue. The only message the BYB gets is 'I got paid'. As long as someone is willing to pay these people they will continue to breed. When people stop buying from them they will go out of business. If no one buys these pups this woman will have to give them away maybe even to a rescue and hopefully think twice about breeding. It won't take but once or twice and that's one less BYB. Gmac does a much better job of explaining this than I can but I hope you get my point.

I totally agree! The problem is, Amanda and Cassie don't view it that way - they have no problem with the situation (apparently) and in fact, I think they are on the BYB's side ("but the mom was squashing them!"). Ok, let's say, for some strange instance the mom is hurting her pups....that is when a responsible breeder steps in and helps with the mom and pups, making sure everyone is taken care of, etc. That is not the time for her to pawn them off to other people to take care of because she wants to get them to "good" homes.

I am going to call animal control today to give them a heads up, and I will continue to try and inform Cassie and Amanda. The other problem is, I use the term "friend" with Cassie pretty loosely. I used to be her manager before I switched jobs - we got along and go out from time to time - but unfortunately she is not someone I am extremely close to, so I don't know how to communicate all this worth her in a way she will listen and not get defensive.

 

[presley101]

All you need to say to Cassie is that a SICK puppy can cost a fortune in vet visits and you are looking out for HER wellbeing in addition to the concern for the dogs. No one wants to think about the bills that come along with a BYB puppy, but the reality of the situation is that she doesn't know what she's getting, how much it will cost to keep healthy, and if the pup is healthy to start with.

 

[cap032]

Please don't think I am trying to start an argument or upset anyone but I think something gmac stated really needs to be said again. Please don't think if you buy a pup from a BYB that you are doing a rescue. The only message the BYB gets is 'I got paid'. As long as someone is willing to pay these people they will continue to breed. When people stop buying from them they will go out of business. If no one buys these pups this woman will have to give them away maybe even to a rescue and hopefully think twice about breeding. It won't take but once or twice and that's one less BYB..

Unfortunately I don't believe this to be totally true. You might indeed put a few out of business but you'll never put them all out of business. Instead a large # will probably end up with sorry people at bargain prices. They will in turn make the dog into a fighting dog much the way pit bulls are done today.
If you believe that no one is going to buy these pups then you might as well say that we can get drugs out of our country and put pimps, prostitues, and drug dealers out of business! You see the sad reality is that for every person who says no to something wrong, indecent, or immoral, there is probably a handful that will say yes. I agree that it is a bad situation and if everyone would jump in on the bandwagon and say no to all of the above mentioned things, we would live in a much more pleasant world. The harsh reality is that it will "never" happen. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you should do something because if you don't someone else will. I'm just saying the BYB's, drugs, prostitutes, pimps, and drug dealers will always unfortunately have a place in our society until serious and I mean "serious" actions are taken by our government!

 

[gmacleod]

Putting one out of business is a whole lot better than encouraging more to start though, don't you think? It's not even one, whichever way you look at it. The BYB who brags to all their family, friends and workmates about the huge profit to be made prostituting their dogs (though I'm sure they won't use that term) probably creates 6 more on the gravy train. The one who moans about how much money they lost though and couldn't sell their pups probably changes the minds of 6 potentials.

That is not nothing

Buying puppies is a commercial business, like it or not. And like any other business, it's the consumer who's king. The sort of breeder you buy from dictates what sort flourishes, and which doesn't survive. In short, is IS your responsibility.

Nobody can save them all, and nobody can put every single BYB out of business. But when you buy a pup, you're contributing to the support of one type of breeding. Rsponsible or irresponsible. Bitching about the damage BYBs do, and bemoaning lack of government controls is a bit hypocritical when you're directly and knowingly financing the BYBs.

It's no good passing the buck to government either. Not when at the same time you're financing the BYBs and shielding them from the law. Once again, what is the point of a law if it cannot be enforced? And it cannot be enforced when people continue to look the other way (or worse, invent excuses and shield the law breakers). So much for animal welfare.

 

[cap032]

Oh, don't get me wrong Gmac, I agee that it is the people who should stop it! We know the Govt. wont. They would rather blow billions of dollars on something else other than crime of any sort. But what I am saying is that "it is very unfortunate" but for every person willing to shun something wrong there are "more" who aren't. Why do you think so many people get killed by drunk drivers every year. That's a law that is strictly enforced but too many people disregard the fact that it's wrong (and illegal) to drive under the influence. The same goes for the BYB. It might be possible to put one out of business, but I doubt it. If 10,000 people live in the BYB's community don't you think they could find 7-8 people to buy their pups? Of course they will. If not they'll probably sell to a GAWD awful mall pet shop. When you take a step back and look at any situation, all you can do is what you know is right. We can (and should) do the right thing in any situation, but we wont ever be able to change the negative things that affect our society unless we are able to somehow get everyone on board.

 

[CarolynRuth]

Ok, now I'm just angry. I am actually on hold with animal control right now - and this lady is the most ignorant person in this whole situation. And I quote "well, I think they have to be a little older than that to sell, don't they?" YOU THINK?!?!!? Seriously, how did this woman get her job?! I try to explain everything to her - and how I know that it is illegal for a breeder to sell pups that are not over 7 weeks. She says "oh, ok...well, is someone feeding them? Because someone needs to be feeding them." I once again, explain the situation and that the breeder claims that the mother is no longer feeding the pups so she is feeding them, but is trying to get rid of them asap. She said "well, as long as someone is feeding them." I say, yes, they are being fed, but it is illegal and cruel to sell the pups that early. She said, "well, I can't just go and arrest her and not have any proof." I told her I wasn't expecting that, but I would like something done about this or for her to give me some direction about what I can do. She then informed me that she wasn't about to have someone go camp out in the petsmart parking lot waiting for a lady who may or may not show up. She said, but, if you are there and she comes, feel free to give us a call. I told her I was not expecting that either, and I will be sure someone calls them if she does. She says ok, well I guess that's it then.

That's it.

I cannot even begin to tell you how angry I am. Where is my b**** slappers when I need them?!?! Now what? I feel like I am just chasing dead ends. I'm almost at the point where I want to go buy all of her pups and move on. I know that would not solve the problem, at all, and it would just encourage her to breed again...so I'm not going to do that. The problem is, I work all day Saturday. If she is in the parking lot, there is a good possibility no Petsmart employees will see her. All of this will go down unnoticed and animal control will not get called and she will make it through w/ no consequences.

However, considering my animal control exeperience, even if they do get called, who knows if they'll get out there in time or even do anything about it.

Ok, I'm done ranting. Somone help me, please!

 

[Net45582]

How about calling the local humane society with the story? ...just a thought.they may be able to light a fire under animal controls butt. In my county,all reports of suspected abuse/neglect have to be checked out at least.

 

[gmacleod]

...but we wont ever be able to change the negative things that affect our society unless we are able to somehow get everyone on board.

Then get on board