The wait is getting nerve wracking!

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Vela

Boxer Insane
Don't forget that with that many you will probably need to supplement feedings. Would probably be a good idea to get some feeding supplies and a supply of milk replacer before the birth so you have all ready when/if needed. I'm sure the great people menotring/helping you have mentioned that but I thought I would just in case they hadn't, since the 11 number is a new development. Waiting anxiously for you as well! Good luck.
 

JulieM

Boxer Insane
This just came across another list I'm on, and I thought it was fantastic advice. I've added some comments of my own in the (**....) sections.

If this is your first litter of puppies in any breed, put in some extra supplies which are very forgiving of novice mistakes. Please don't take this as an afront to your breeding expertise. It's just that quite a few things have the opportunity to go wrong. I learned the hard way that when a litter is going south is the *wrong* time to realize you need specialized items. If nothing goes wrong and you don't need them, fine. But if your pups need an extra nudge to get going or thrive sometime during the neonatal period and you don't have the knowledge or supplies to help, it can have up to lethal results.

1. Go to Revivial Animal Health online and pick up some Pet Nutri-Drops. Give some to the bitch halfway thru whelping if she needs a "pick-me-up". Pet Nutri-Drops are the only "pup jump-starter" which can be given to a chilled pup. Pups can live on Pet-Nutri-Drops alone for up to three days. Excellent if the bitches milk is slow to come in or a C-section. Or if you have a case of chilled or hypoglycemic pups. Get the pump bottle for 10.-15. dollars. It is enough to treat 300+ lbs. of dog. More than enough to raise the litter.

(**We give the bitch Karo syrup during whelping, every hour or so. Next litter I will probably have plain Peidalyte on hand as well and offer it to the bitch periodically.)

2. Also consider Fastrack Canine Gel. It is a top-of-the-line probiotic with specialized proteins which help prevent the establishment of the harmful pathogens e.coli, rotovirus, parvovirus and coronavirus in the neonates G.I. tract. The probiotic itself has the most lactobacillus if any similar type product on the market. It will help the pups establish the proper ratios of intestinal flora the quickest way possible, allowing the pups body to make the most effiecent use of the nutrition available to it. You do not need to have a problem to use this. It is an excellent preventative product. We have used it on 2 generations here at Bellwether and I won't raise another litter without it. It really helps the neonates get their metabolic feet under them and thrive. I can't reccomend this highly enough. Kit Van Neiman at Michiganmicrofeeds.com is a bloodhound breeder and dealer. She is always ready to help with advise. I used 10 tubes for a 7 pup collie litter. Given at to the Dam and the pups birth and then to the pups as instructed each day at weighing for the 1st 2 weeks of life . about 9.00 to 12.00 a tube depending on where you purchase online.

(**A similar product is called BeneBac.)

3. I use Esbiliac as a milk replacer in the advice of Lisa Freeman at Tufts University( Lisa specializes in canine neonate nutrition) because it is a "bitch milk replacer". It is closer to real bitches milk which makes it more valuable to the puppy. Have had excellent results with it on my collie puppies. The puppies from our 2002 litter were quite large & vigorus and Mom needed some help in the third week to supply all their needs in spite of her copius milk quanities. Have 3 cans on hand for whelping. Price varies online.

(**There are tons of milk replacer formulas online - you will probably need it, with 11 puppies! Several can be found here, as well as information on hand-feeding puppies: www.lowchensaustralia.com/breeding/Breeding3.htm#newborns Also, many people swear by Marina Zacharias' NR Tree Bark Gruel with goat's milk and honey, as well as her Fading Puppy Remedy - www.naturalrearing.com)

4. Also find an online pet source ( might try Revival A H ) and buy a "VetPak" box of Monoject single use latex free 3cc Reglar Luer Syrines w/ needle They are sterile, non-toxic and nonpyrogenic. Buy the 100 count box in size 25 x 5/8. They are so handy to have around. I used about 60 of them for a litter of 7 collie puppies and didn't even need to sub-Q fluids. Remove (and safely dispose of) the needle and they are very handy for administering wormers, milk replacer, etc. The 100 count box costs about $19.99 USD online and well worth the purchase. Makes life so handy while raising the pups.

5. Buy a sack of Lactated Ringer Solution at your local feed store, Agway or other place which sells livestock supplies. There are several great websites online which will show you how to sub-Q fluids. It's very easy.

6. Don't neglect the humidity in your whelping area. Buy a hygrothermometer from Petiatric Pet supplies online(www.petiatric.com). Theirs are the best type as they are "air-sensing". They are digital and will show both temp and humidity at a glance. This way you can monitor the humidity as well as the temp and make sure your neonates aren't getting dehydrated by too warm and dry a whelpng area. Stick-on fish thermometers measure temp only and can be as much as 4 degrees off in accuracy. About 40.-50. USD

7. Buy a scale which measures in grams. A gram is 1/8 ounce and much better for weighing neonates. If your neonate only weighs 1 lb. and you have a scale which weighs in 1 oz. increments, concievably your pup could have lost more than 1/16 of it's total body weight before it became noticable. Not a happy thought. However, if a weight loss of 2-3 grams is registered, you can take whatever corrective action is needed before your pup gets to a crisis stage. About 40.-60. USD depending on features.

How much does all this cost? Probably around $275. if you were to purchase all of the above for a litter of 7 pups and the dam. However, a significant amount of that would be in permanent whelping supplies which yo could use over and over again. Not near what the loss of a single pet pup would be to your bottom line. Not even taking into account the heartbreak of losing such a pup.

Karen Tewart
Bellwether Collies

You probably don't have time to stock all of this at this point :) but it might give you some ideas. I would definitely formulate a plan for milk replacer - especially at this time of year, when snow and ice can make getting to the store impossible.

Also, Dr. Hutchison recommends for bottles that you get the *premie* nursing bottles (human type), particularly the ones with the collapsing bags, so there is no swallowed air. He emphasized *don't* use the bottles available at pet stores. Try to find human premie bottles at a large pharmacy near a hospital.
 

ajford

Boxer Booster
Thanks everyone!

It is exciting. I thought I was pretty well prepared (for 8) then I went into shock for a little while (11!), now I'm feeling better again.

We did breedings over several days and we think she is probably going to go later than Wed. since she isn't that big for having 11 puppies in there. They did seem to be pretty uniform in size, there weren't any noticeably bigger or smaller so that was encouraging.

I was laying in bed with her this morning and they looked like little aliens in there moving all over the place. This is the first time I could see them instead of just feeling them.

Amber
 

Draymia

BW Adviser<br><img src="/forums/images/modpaw.gif"
I just love watching the gymnastic meet going on in the bitches tummy. :D

Everything everyone has told you is great info.

Here are few other ideas.

I like to get pedialyte available for the bitch to drink during delivery. It replaces valuable electrolytes. I don't supplement with any calcium during pregnancy, but do start a couple of days before delivery.

I have used goats milk to supplement and even raise puppies on for almost 20 years. I like it so much better than anything else I have used. You can get it fresh frozen from goat breeders or by concentrated cans at the grocery store. I dilute the canned with pedialyte for the first couple of days and then water afterwards.

The premie bottle is a great idea, and I have found even the smallest pup can take a standard baby bottle with nipple. I use a hot needle to put a couple of extra holes in it. And of course, don't forget you have to burp the baby. :) I keep the room temp around 78 for the first week and then begin dropping it slowly. I don't like heat lamps or heating pads. To keep the babies warm during delivery (I like to separate many pups during actual delivery) I use a hot water bottle wrapped in a towel. If for any reason you have to take Mom and pups to the vet, take an extra gallon jug with hot water with you to keep babies warm. Gallon jugs will hold the warmth for hours.

Will be waiting to hear how everything goes. She will probably be very tired, so I would definitely get the drops and Fasttrack. Also I would get some Nutri type gel. I don't remember the exact name, but something for your girls energy level in the middle of delivery.
 

ajford

Boxer Booster
Rough night

Well, Chloe was up and down ALL night long. Her sides are as hard as brick, she won't eat (which I said she'd be dead before she passed on her food), and she is just downright miserable.

Her Temp is 99.4 this morning, but I just started taking it yesterday and it was low then too. She is laying in the whelping box and I'm trying to be calm.

amber
 

jackieme

Banned
We are in the same boat Amber!

Hi Amber, my girl is due on the 9th of January, so we will have litters close to one another. I had an xray and she is having 11 pups too! Gee is it the moon, water or what? We also bred her three times over the course of a week. She does not look that big either, bottom heavy yes, but not as big as I thought she would be with 11 pups inside. I did all the testing and this is her first litter. I hope to show this pup as I did her mother, I hope the pup I keep has at least half of her mothers looks and half of her daddies. I believe the two of them should have something to complement the others weaknesses and enhance the strengths. (both dam and sire are a credit to the breed standard), but like everyone knows we can always improve something. For much of the pregnancy she did not even look pregnant but the last 3 weeks she has blossomed! If I were to add anything that you might need for your upcoming litter would be to get a digital postage scale to be able to weigh the pups daily and at birth and keep a record of the weights, this will help you determine if any pup needs supplemental feeding. Good luck with your litter Amber! Your surrounded by one of the best resources on the web here, this forum with your mentors should offer you the support you will need in the days ahead!
 

leah mallu

Boxer Pal
Good Luck with those Pups!!

Calybos and Judge came from a litter of 10, and all was healthy and lived. I'm sure your girls are going to do great!! Sounds like you have your back up plan in order and from what I hear that is of the utmost importance. We will be sending some ((((((healthy baby vibes)))))) your way, and Mommas' to. Remember stay as calm as possible we all know they know what we are feeling!!! And stay positive!! Good luck all!!

BoxerBrosCalybos&Judge

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jackieme

Banned
Thanks

We need all the positive vibes we can get! Its nice to have the support system you all provide here, nice to know that were not alone! Thanks also for the encouragement! Your the best, will keep everyone updated as well as pictures when the event happens!
 

ajford

Boxer Booster
Thanks from me too

My poor girl is soooo miserable. She just stands and stares. I think I'll be just as glad as she is once they are on the outside.

\amber
 
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