Poll Spay and Neuter all pets that are rescued? I understand that policy...but....

[Sube Ru's mom]

Cubby-

I TOTALLY understand!!!! I think shelters especially get enough harrassment because what we, society, force them to do, they are not given ANY other option, but to put down the animals and it is a shame.
I was just curious about where you were because you had coordinates and i was looking at it like- HUH? with a big ditz sign on my forehead. and i am not even blonde- I AM KIDDING

 

[None-removed]

Originally posted by Sube Ru's mom

I was just curious about where you were because you had coordinates and i was looking at it like- HUH?

That's why I did that...for the "huh? factor" or in case anybody wants to come visit, they can ask the pilot to land or throw them out of the plane in the yard. :p Those are actually the coordinates of Piedmont Park in Atlanta, and I really don't know why I did it - but I sure have gotten alot of questions about it.

 

[uno]

Why the female & not the male and other stuff

The reason I chose to have Marcie spayed and not yet have Dempsey neutered is a biological, and not a sexist, reason. It's simply because Dempsey can't have pups.

Now as to why I haven't had Dempsey neutered yet it's because I may still want to breed him. If and when I do that, I will have all of the health testing done. If, and only if he passes will I breed him. If he doesn't pass then I'll have him neutered.

I know and believe that the only reason to breed is to improve the breed, but I also know that if that were followed 100% of the time most of us on this board would not have Boxers. They'd be far too expensive. Secondly who is to say what's an improvement? Should only Boxers that win in the confirmation ring be bred? What about those that don't win? Should they not be bred even though they're good enough to compete in the ring?
What about Boxers that compete in the agility ring, but aren't "pretty" enough to compete in the confirmation ring? Should they also not be bred? There is also the question of the "invisible" characteristics that can't be seen in the show and agility rings. I'm talking about our Boxers trustworthiness, their reliability, how affectionate they are, there gentleness with children. Those are characteristics that can't be measured in any type of ring, but they're certainly necessary in a Boxer. Would any of us want a show and agility champion that didn't have these "invisible" characteristics? I highly doubt it. Which brings me back to my question "who is to say"? I ask this to be educated, not to be scorned, ridiculed or told that I'm irresponsible or unrealistic.

 

[Chewy's Mom]

Good questions, Uno. Interested to see what kind of answers show up.

 

[myrocky]

He might not be able to *have* pups but he sure can *make* pups Health reasons alone are enough for me to have my baby neutered, but let's put that aside and pretend it isn't involved. I want that reassurance that if for some strange bizarre reason my baby gets out of the house/out of my sight or stolen he cannot ever *make* puppies. I don't want him used for that and I certainly don't want someone knocking on my door with a law suit because Rocks knocked up his one night stand. Peace of mind and population control is my motivation add on the health benefits and I can't see why people do not do it. :D

 

[Sube Ru's mom]

Man O Man i am going to get in trouble!!! BREEDERS dont yell at me please

Uno- what reason do you have for breeding dempsey? Why do we need to add to the overpopulation of dogs by bringing more into the world? I honestly wish that breeders would stop breeding for a while as well. But that of course would be in a perfect world where there was no such thing as byb's and puppy mills. the reason i wish the breeders would stop breeding IN A PERFECT WORLD was so people would be forced to get a dog from a shelter or rescue. *notice i am saying in a perfect world
Also UNO- you said you would have dempsey health checked, are you also going to make sure the female is health checked and everything else. because if not you are still adding to the byb problem.
Responsible breeders bred ONLY for the betterment of the breed, they make NO money off of what they do. From your post, and correct me if i am wrong, it sounds to me that you are wanting to breed because you can.

*not attacking but trying to understand why you want to breed dempsey when you are not a breeder and sounds like you have no intention of breeding, thereby risking dempseys health because of cancer and adding to the overpopulation problem.

 

[tingoddess]

Rescue dogs

Ethic's come strongly into play when we discuss breeding and it's inherent responsibilities. These go way beyond the act of mating and extend down through the years to any of those resulting pups. A good and responsible breeder, that's both the dam and the stud's owners, should want to have any pup returned to them whether it's 1 month later or 10 years later. It's what I insist on myself. Many rescues also have the same policies as do some shelters. If for any reason you cannot keep the pet you must return it to them. It's not that they don't think you couldn't find another home, but in this world where many dogs have as many as 4 or 5 homes in a life time, the rescues and shelters want to try to minimize this type of stress on the animals. They often do more extensive checks on references and in home checks than the average pet owner has time or patients for.

As to the question of whether a potential adopter should be required to alter all existing animals in the home before being granted a dog by these organizations. I guess it really depends. Obviously if you are actively showing a dog in AKC confirmation shows you cannot spay or nueter. But if you aren't doing this, why does your animal have to be intacted? Who are you benefiting? Yourself? The animal? Also a breeder, who is concerned with the betterment of the breed and who is committed to it isn't likely to be looking at a rescue as a place to get a dog to breed from.

I personally endorse purebred rescue organizations and what they are working to do; which is to educate and alleviate the problems of pet overpopulation and over burdened shelters by cleaning up after what amounts to the mess created by irresponsible owners and breeds in the first place.

I don't know if my comments have helped or created more questions. I hope I have made some good points though.

 

[kgf73]

Originally posted by Zsara
Do you believe that if you choose to adopt a pet that any pets already living in your household must be spayed and neutered before you will be allowed to adopt???

IMO the question answers itself. There would be no reason to rescue or adopt unwanted animals if someone had thought of having their dog(s) fixed in the first place.

 

[Sube Ru's mom]

Re: Re: Poll Spay and Neuter all pets that are rescued? I understand that policy...but....

Originally posted by kgf73


IMO the question answers itself. There would be no reason to rescue or adopt unwanted animals if someone else had thought of having their dog fixed in the first place.

RIGHT ON!!!

 

[Sube Ru's mom]

I have kept my mouth shut long enough, i am going to "clear my throat"

reading this post you can defintly tell the rescue workers, people that help and support rescues in other ways and the resopnsible breeders- we are the ones saying why dogs need to be spayed/neutered and the reasoning.

So often i have been on here and have had to defend rescues and what we stand for against others that DO NOTHING with rescue.

*rescue is not easy, it is emotionally and physically draining. We put everything we have into these dogs and trying to give them a better life. It is one of the most rewarding experiences in my life but it can be very heartwrenching, especially when we get dogs from byb's and they are not healthy or have bad temperments, they have to be put down and that is hard. Shelters deal with this every day. Many workers in shelters refuse to get close to an animal because they know if they dont get adopted then they will be put to sleep. and everytime rescues and shelters put a dog to sleep a little piece of us goes with the animal.

* i get tired of always defending rescues/shelters and explaining why we have the policies we do, when you see an animal put to sleep because of "lack of breeding" or because there are too many unwanted pets in this world then maybe you will see why we have the rules we do and instead of creating the problem you will be part of the solution.