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Tam319

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One thing you haven't mentioned johnson99 is have you had any experience owning a boxer (or any dog for that matter) while you have been working before?

I ask because dogs require an unbelievable amount of TLC and attention. Regardless of how sick/tired/grouchy/sad/hungry/busy you are they still need to be fed, exercised (and with boxers we are not talking about a leisurely stroll around the block), cuddled and played with.

From personal experience, dogs that are isolated for long periods of time and are forced to urinate/deficate in their crates can develop serious emotional and psychological problems. I have adopted a dog who was neglected in his first few months as a puppy. He was crated too long and as a result he took 1 year to house train, and still has terrible separation anxiety. This is not a state of existence I would wish on any puppy. And many rescue dogs have lived in this state for far too long and have similar issues. They often require just as much attention and time as little pups.

Perhaps the breeders and rescue groups are getting the impression that you are a hard working family that doesn't have enough dog experience and you are unwilling to change your lifestyle to suit a puppy in your life. This probably doesn't sound encouraging to most reputable breeders.

In order to have my boys I have had to seriously reorganize my life, give up a lot of social events, put up with a hairy, muddy house, have less time to myself, and a lot less $ as well. If you are really set on getting a dog you may need to re-evaluate what is important to you in your life, and what you can change to accomodate a little pup. It is highly unlikely that you are going to get a pup that is simply going to slide perfectly into your family's routine and settle in quietly in the role of the loyal family dog. Dogs take a lot of time, energy, patience and work. This is something you have to budget for and rearrange your life around.

These dogs are not simply hobbies, or animals to ANYONE on these boards - regardless of whether they show, breed or enjoy boxers as pets. They are family, first and foremost.

Reputable breeders really are the keepers of this breed. Without them we would see the quality of health, vitality and longevity in our boxers that we do today. These people are not snobby or condescending by any stretch of the imagination. They are doing what they can to preserve these animals and give them the best possible FOREVER homes they can possibly find.

The breeders are not the enemies. You will never find a rescue or breeder willing to work in a constructive partnership by saying, "Well I might as well go to a BYB because doing it right and being honest is too hard, too frustrating and takes too long".

Please be patient and take some time to see things from the other side of the fence. These people have dedicated years of their lives to caring, loving, and improving this breed.

Good luck in your search.
Be patient, open minded and big hearted and good things will come to you.

Tamara
 

kahlua

Boxer Booster
Leaving the baby at home

I don't feel that all shelters are turning people down and I understand the need to be discrimanatory. A dog who is brought in because of the #1 reason - don't have enough time to spend with him - that is awful. Maybe shelters can develop some sort of information sessions that parents to be can attend before they adopt letting them know how much time a dog, especially a boxer, will take. I know a response to this is that shelters do not have the resources for this but the overall benefit would be in finding truly dedicated parents. There could be a waiting period after the session and if the person still shows true interest, they are the right people.
 

vaboxer

Completely Boxer Crazy
Just thought this fit in with this discussion

I was watching the Eukabana AKC dog show last night on animal planet and the one main theme throughout the entire show was the breeders and how incredibly important they are to every breed...whether a show dog...working dog...or pet.

They had a breeder of Saint Bernards on there that they were showcasing and he said, "My goal is to produce the perfect Saint Bernard, I dont know if it is possible, but I am going to try."

When breeders feel such an importance and proudness in regards to the work they do...you have to understand that they have no other choice than to be picky where their babies end up. After all...it is their job...their desire...to make our breed the best it can be. And they certainly deserve my respect...if they dont think I am capable of raising one of their pups...then so be it. I think they probably know more about it than I do...
 

kahlua

Boxer Booster
Related

This is related to the topic brought up in the last post regarding breeders wanting to make their breed the best they can be. I recently read an article (although I am no expert) on the problems associated with this. Breeds are being bred to create the perfect (Boxer, St. Bernard), etc., that the breed is suffering health problems because of it. For example, bulldogs are being bred to have that perfect pushed in nose and thus creating breathing problems. I just thought I would add this tidbit. But, in no way am I saying all breeders or even that the breeder is intentionally causing harm to their breed. I totally understand the position of the breeder in not giving his/her puppies to just anyone.
 
Good Example - Bad Situation

Here is an example of a poor Boxer being dumped from their family because someone has no time for it. I found this ad on-line:
Free to the right home. Young 2 yr old female boxer (spayed).
Beautiful healthy, muscular dog, dark brindle in color with cropped
ears. Good with people and other dogs. Very athletic,good on leash,
needs (and deserves)more attention then I can give her. Our first
boxer(deceseased)was a neutered male who was a couch potato lol and I was not prepared for her wanting as much play/outside time."

Now, this is exactly why good breeders screen for the appropriate home for their beloved Boxer pups. We do not want any of our puppies to be dumped simply because the buyer did not research this imporant decision thoroughly.
 

KC

Super Boxer
Knowing that I run the risk of offending or seeming judgmental with the following . . . I apologize in advance - don't mean to seem harsh, just an honest opinion. All readers are, of course, welcome to disagree and I certainly understand that there are different views on this subject. Here goes - I think it is unconscionable to leave an animal all day in a crate or in the house, letting them either wait all day to go potty or just letting them go in the crate and cleaning it up when you get home. Think about it - just because they CAN make it all day doesn't mean that they SHOULD or that it's a comfortable wait - it is undoubtedly painful - think about how you would feel if you had to wait ALL DAY. Their bladders are not SO BIG in proportion to their body weight that they can wait all day with little or no effort. It also likely means that they have learned to not drink much during the day to avoid the pain of hours of needing to go - resulting in unhealthy dehydration. And image sitting in a small box with your own urine all day. Yuck - especially considering how much more sensitive their noses are than ours. I believe it borders on abuse and is taking advantage of a very well behaved animal to make them hold it all day and I think it is dangerous to their health. Urinating serves to clean the urinary tract system and the failure of that cleaning due to lack of urination can easily lead to urinary tract infections, bladder infections and kidney infections due to the growth of bacteria in that area. As we all know, we have a responsibility to our animals to take care of their health and well-being. They are not just there for our convenience - beaning and kisses when we get home - you are also responsible for them when you are away from home. If your animal is currently having to wait all day to go potty, I urge you to make some kind of arrangement to end that circumstance - for the sake of that cute face that you love so much!
 

VTbxrFan

Boxer Insane
response to KC

Well, KC, you are right -- many people will disagree with you. While I would love to be home with my dog during the day, I do not feel that I am harming him by leaving him alone while I'm at work. I've discussed this issue with several vets and have been told that it is not harmful for a healthy dog to be left alone during a work day. My Dallas is never frantic to go when I get home, and sometimes when I go home in the middle of the day and take him out, he doesn't even go potty because he doesn't need to. You seem to be omitting one important fact -- most dogs will spend a majority of their day sleeping, thus their need to drink water and urinate is not the same as it would be if they were actively playing. I do agree with you that it is unfair to leave a dog that is not able to hold his bladder in a situation where he has to go in his crate and lie in all day, but I do not see a problem with a dog that is capable and comfortable being left.

I have followed this thread with some interest but have avoided posting until now because I know it can become a really hot issue. Frankly I think the most important thing is a desire and willingness to treat a dog as part of the family. I am single, work during the day, and live in an apartment -- not exactly the ideal situation for a dog on the surface, but anyone who knows me for more than 5 minutes quickly realizes that my life absolutely revolves around my dog. He's happy and healthy and has my undivided attention in the evenings and on weekends. Just having a person around doesn't mean that the dog is getting attention -- a person in the home but busy with other tasks is not much better than no person there at all.

Now with that said, I do agree that it is much more difficult with a puppy involved because they cannot go all day without going potty. I encourage people who are not home during the day to consider adopting an older dog -- there are so many out there in need of a home. The needs of a puppy are different -- just as the needs of a baby are different than the needs of an older child.
 

johnson99

Boxer Buddy
The bottom line is while some have the luxury of either not having to work or being able to work from or close to home, most do not. Many of us, have to work 9-10 hour days just to pay the mortgage and put food on the table.

Based on the views of some (both on this board and in out in the non-cyber world), working people like myself shouldn't be able to have a dog - unless we are able to afford $400 a month for a dog walker (which is what it costs in my neck of the woods). I don't know about most, but I could lease a pretty decent car for $400 and while I love dogs, $400 a month is a bit steep for someone to spend 15 minutes walking the dog.

I spoke to one breeder (non-boxer breed) who's view I completely agreed with (and I'm sure this will garner some negative reaction from you but) - she said "the bottom line is I want you to love and care for my puppy, but at the end of the day, it is A DOG, and not a human baby. If you need to crate it during the day- do that, if you need to leave it for 8-10 hours so you can work and put food on the table - do that as well. As long as the time you spend with the dog is quality time and the dog has food and adequate shelter - that's all I care about. "
 

vasha

Boxer Pal
VTbxrFan -

Well said, my response would have been much too emotional! Thanks for keeping it together for us single, working, apartment dwelling dog lovers :)

boxer hugs n slobbes from kaiser foolicon
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KC

Super Boxer
None is trying to (or going to) change anyone's view of this subject. Just putting two cent's worth in the mix. We can agree to disagree.
 
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