My Girls Protected Me !!

[abxonetwoa]

this is not a flame! please don't take it as one!

I see here everyone is celebrating the fact that his dogs lunged at these boys.

These boys (who most likely were just being just that - BOYS!) could have been seriously injured if one of the dogs got ahold of them. Personally, I find this story somewhat disturbing.... If his dog's are lunging at pedestrians just because they think 'Dan is afraid,' then these dogs are a threat to society and maybe even my children.

Let's face it - we were all kids once and all said some things that we really didn't mean. I can tell you for sure (and I *know* the courts would agree with me) that if these dogs would have grabbed one of the kids, the dogs would be in a pound waiting to be 'put down' right now.

Dan, I would suggest you do something about this problem before you regret it. I would hate for a child (boy or girl) be injured as a result of your dog's problem (and I would hate for them to take your dogs).

 

[Tulsa-Dan]

I do not take your message as a flame. It is a different point of view and that is certainly welcomed here.

I see your point. However, I must reiterate that these boys, being "just boys" or not, were threatening me and my dogs. I did not instigate anything with them, and neither did my dogs. My dogs lunged and were ready to defend me when the boys were lunging towards me and making dog barks and lots of scary noises trying to intimidate me. This was NOT, and I repeat, NOT an unprovoked attack by my dogs.

My dogs, especially Maggie, are the sweetest, most gentle animals around. Susie and Maggie only want to kiss every stranger they meet and they are always this way with strangers. Both dogs are extremely well socialized with other dogs and other people, including children and infants. This is the first time that either of them have shown any aggression toward any person whatsoever. And, they did NOT instigate the aggression, the boys instigated it and tried (successfully) to rile up my dogs. They got what they asked for.

As for any damage done to these boys should my dogs have gotten loose, I can assure you these boys would be the ones in cages, not my dogs. I just retired from the 4th largest law firm in the world, and it would be a long, long and extremely expensive litigation for these boys and their parents before anyone would take my dogs from me or have them "put down" for something like this, or even hold me responsible for what took place. I can produce literally a hundred "character" witnesses to attest to the gentleness and loving nature of my dogs under even some very stressful situations.

My dogs are not a threat to you, your children, or anyone else whose motives are true and correct. I do not consider this a "problem" with my dogs and see no reason in the world to modify their behavior in this regard. They acted instinctively and in my opinion correctly to the situation. I stand by them 100%

I'm just curious how you think your dog would react in a situation such as this, when you (and your dog) sensed danger? What do you think is an appropriate response for your dog (or mine) to this?

Would you have me stand there, get the crap beat out of me or worse, and have my dogs sit there, nicely, wiggling their little tails while daddy gets beaten, and then walk off happily with a gang of kids as spoils of their "victory?" I don't think so. My dogs were protecting me from harm and I now know they would do so with their last breaths, just as I would protect them with my last breath too!!

[Edited by Brooklyn-Dan on 03-12-2001 at 10:44 PM]

 

[Eric]

Dan,

Scary as your story was I'm relieved to learn it had a happy ending. Your girls did well, especially Susie Q. If she was a diplomat, you could certainly say she has now presented her credentials.

 

[Kazz's Boxers]

Utterally Sadding

abxonetwo,
I see your point, and i see dan's but there is nothing funny about being stalked in NY, especially at night, alone, that situation could have easily been a disaster for Dan if he were to get jumped by those "Boys" And IN MY OPINION, from what Dan has written His two dogs did nothing wrong! I am sure that other people will agree with me on this one, but as i said in the beginning i see your point and i see Dan's, and i feel You are wrong! MY OPINION!! No i have never met Dan nor Maggie Nor Suzie, but by no means are the "a danger to society" Plesae reconsider the situation before making a statement!

Melanie

 

[Nakota]

Maggie and Susie could sense Dan's fear and they reacted appropriately. I would think we'd all like our boxers to act this way (friendly to everyone except people they perceive as dangerous). Most boxers have that extra sense to tell who is dangerous and who isn't (from what I've read about boxers). If they wouldn't have put on the "lunging act", who knows what could've happened. The little hoods could've got close enough to pull a knife and hurt someone.
There's nothing wrong with a dog protecting its owner when it's necessary to do so. That is not what I call an aggressive dog -- just a dog reacting appropriately.

 

[Elsa]

Re: this is not a flame! please don't take it as one!

Originally posted by abxonetwo


Dan, I would suggest you do something about this problem before you regret it. I would hate for a child (boy or girl) be injured as a result of your dog's problem (and I would hate for them to take your dogs).

Problem??? I would suggest you go back and re-read Dan's post. This was not unprovoked.

You would also suggest that kids are just "being kids"; that does not excuse threatening behavior on their part. I found your post sad because that is a big problem with how bad teenagers are treated in our society today, "kids will be kids" What about respect and accountability? Some people are unbelievable.

 

[Brenda & Jeff]

Elsa - you go girl!!

I am so tired of the Kids being Kids, I have taught elementary school and college, grown up in one of the worst neighborhoods in the Bronx, and so on.

TAUNTING, TEASING, AGGRESSIVE, ETC.Behavior by teenagares is NOT appropriate behavior. Unfortunately, I feel that our society is breaking down in this area in a big way. That is a different soap box for a different time.

Dan was right on in his response - lets get past the dog attack thing, and look at the environment of this situation.

Dan - that is why I told you to get some mace - to my knowledge it is not illegal and might diffuse a situation. Hopefully this will never happen again - I pray so. But your dogs are fine and acted appropriately - unfortunately, these "KIDS" are always around somewhere.

You deserve a thumbs up, huggers & slobbers, and a high five for how the situation went and how your girls were. Keep up the work you are doing with Susie and all will be well.

Brenda

 

[abxonetwoa]

Re: Re: this is not a flame! please don't take it as one!

Originally posted by Elsa

Problem??? I would suggest you go back and re-read Dan's post. This was not unprovoked.

You would also suggest that kids are just "being kids"; that does not excuse threatening behavior on their part. I found your post sad because that is a big problem with how bad teenagers are treated in our society today, "kids will be kids" What about respect and accountability? Some people are unbelievable.

I have read Dan's post - but on your behalf, I read through it one more time. Now, I would ask that you re-read his post.

The 'Young Boys' did nothing more than 'walk around to meet the other boys' and than one said 'do you think we can take them' and finally the last thing they did was 'bark like a dog' - Dan says there intent was to rile him or the dogs - but him working at a law firm, I would figure he would be the last one to *assume* the intent of these 'Young Boys'

If you call this threatening behavior, I suppose my children should be executed.

So since you have all so kindly (and rudely) attacked my boys will be boys comment - I suppose we should replace it with 'Dogs will be Dogs'

I am not convinced.

Also, Dan - I don't know any court that would judge a dog (or animal - which has even less rights I might add) based upon how it has acted in the past. If you as a human attacked 7-8 boys just for what they did as a dog, you would be going to jail.

In my state, if a dog jumps or bites a person in an angry matter - it is automatically put down unless the attack can be proved as provoked. A boy barking like a dog would not follow under this category - and my state would call the dog a threat to society *and* put the dog down.

Like I said - not a flame at all. Maybe my wording came off a bit harsh in my original post, but I would prefer not to get this topic shutdown since I think there is much for everyone to learn from it.

 

[iluvboxers]

I have the sweetest Boxers in the world but had to put a 6 foot privacy fence in front of my link fence to protect my dogs from harmless boys. They then proceeded to throw things into my yard from the roof of their house, we finally got the landlord to evict this family when he saw that half his roof shingles were missing and we presented them to him. Kids can be so mean to animals and I would say most dog attacks in our area are provoked. I had to start putting my dogs in a small yard for their exercise, these kids thought it was so funny and I would be in the yard when they did it. We have had kids throw things from the street at our animals. We are building out of town!!! These dogs are guard dogs and they will protect you. My male got to the point where he did not like these kids and can't say I blame him. Thank God Dan had those two with him.

 

[abxonetwoa]

Originally posted by Brenda & Jeff

I am so tired of the Kids being Kids, I have taught elementary school and college, grown up in one of the worst neighborhoods in the Bronx, and so on.

I suppose if a pitbull attacked your child and destroyed his face beyond recognition you would also tell your child tough luck and send the owner of the pitbull roses?

You can't attack another human for swearing at you (a human's attempt to rile you) and injure them beyond belief. I don't understand how you can justify a dog doing this.... most dogs don't know when to stop when they begin attacking.

It is your child, and I am not in the position to question how you raise your child.