My Demodectic Darlin'

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TnTmom

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Trallis, my 2yr old Brindle, has had the worst time with her demodectic mange. We are at the Vet (religiously) every 2 weeks getting her Mitaban dips. She has had round after round of antibiotics, oral Ivermectin in addition to her dips, but she still has constant breakouts. I've even tried the Maui-Wowie Mange Buster Shampoo (if anyone has heard of that). When I rescued her, she was completely bald, with black leathery/scaly skin. She was probably the ugliest pup I'd ever seen, so I knew she needed my help. I had no idea she was a brindle until after the first couple of dips.

I'm just looking for some alternate/better ways to treat the mange and hopefully give her a better life. Can anyone help us?
 

gmacleod

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Have you done a lot of reading about demodex? What you probably know by now already is that demodectic mange is an immune system problem. It frequently strikes puppies, whose immune systems are only just developing. But in an older dog is very much means that the animal's immune system is defective.

The big problem with mitaban, of course, is that it is extremely toxic (it was actually first developed as a pesticide, then used on animals - but due to being highly toxic was removed from the market for use on animals about 10 years ago - incredible how many vets still have a stock of that stuff). Put bluntly, with mitaban it's a case of seeing who succumbs first - the dog or the mites (and it isn't always the mites). But even if the dog doesn't display any drastic side effects, continual dipping further hammers the hell out of the poor beast's immune system - so you can end in the vicious cycle of the immune system not being strong enough to control the mites, mange develops, you throw on the pesticide to kill the mites, further reduce the dog's immune system... with the natural result that as soon as the mite population recovers (which it will, since they're a natural flora of EVERY dog's coat), the further-weakened immune system can't control them and you're back to battling mange.

Sooo - where that brings you is straight back to the immune system. The key to beating demodex is not in pesticides, but in boosting that immune system so that the dog can control the mites itself. And in turn, the key to boosting the immune system is in high quality diet (preferably raw, next best is homecooked - chuck that kibble in the bin, or if you must keep feeding it, feed the best quality you possibly can and supplement the diet with real, natural-form food); in ceasing all unneccessary hits to the immune system (no vaccinations, no elective surgeries, no tick/flea treatments (more pesticide), no deworming or anything else of that type unless it's seriously necessary. Where you live would have an influence on that - but if you're not flea infested and not a high heartworm risk area, don't hit the dog's immune system with those chemicals. All of this aimed at giving the dog's immune system a chance to recover to the point that it can do it's job.

There are a few individuals in this world that really do have such a defective immune system that they're not capable of recovery by themselves. But that is a very low percentage. For the vast majority, support to the immune system is what is required to get it to the point of functionality that it can control natural flora such as demodectic mites. Hopefully your girl will be in this category, but you've got to make some lifestyle changes to get there. I don't know your position on vaccinations and so forth - but in your position, I'd think seriously before ever having this dog vaccinated again or any chemical that's not absolutely required applied to her.
 

ehayes21

Boxer Insane
Isnt Mitaban illegal??? It should be, that stuff is super toxic - don't dip again. Since dmange is brought on by a depressed immune system, you want to do everything you can to build it up - dips and other strong meds bombard it even more.
Honestly, the best treatment that I have found is no treatment at all. I switched to a raw natural diet, used some goodwinol ointment and it cleared up nicely on it's own.
 

ELubas

Boxer Insane
Poor pup. My only experience with my two girls who both had it was my girl now cleared up really fast and stayed cleared up on Timberwolf Bison plus homecooked ( I use a lot of organ meats) and I supplement with fish oil and Vit C. My last sweet girl had a tough time clearing up but she was on different kibble and I did not supplement (I did not know how important it was back then :( ). When Nysa, my little one I have now, got it I never had to even use the goodwinol. I really think diet and nutrition is everything with demodex. Good luck with your girl.
 

Deacon

Boxer Booster
sorry to hi jack your thread. but i did not want to start a new topic on what is already posted.
I found out my little boy has it and bad over 30 bumps. So what we did and i want to know if this is correct.
Clean the whole house with pinesol
washed all fabrics he has been in contact with.
sprayed the couch and matress with lysol.
then he went to the vet and got 2 shots and meds and shampoo,
i cleaned his cage then bathed him with the shampoo. now we plan to make him sleep in his cage for a week since he was sleeping on our bed and the bugs were biting us.

also i went out and bought vit C and some more fish for him to eat. Is there anything i am missing or i can do to help this heal faster? and what is the time frame i am looking at for this to heal i heard a month. is this correct?
 

gmacleod

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Deacon - is it demodectic mange your dog has, or the sarcoptic variety?

IF it is the former, demodex, then there's absolutely no point in washing the house, kennel, etc. Demodectic mites live inside the hair follicules of every dog on the planet - they're a natural flora of the dog's coat that are passed to pups within days of birth from their mothers (well, OK, there might be a few orphans in existence who haven't been exposed to any other dogs who don't - yet - have them). Even if you somehow managed to exterminate every mite from your dog and house, he'd pick them up again as soon as he came into contact with another dog. They're normal to have. You and I have a human version living inside OUR hair follicules too, you know ;)

The problem with demodectic mites that ends in mange is NOT that the mites exist and live on your dog. The problem is with the DOG, or more specifically, with his immune system. So it's the immune system you need to treat.

IF, on the other hand, you're talking about sarcoptic mange - that's a different ballgame altogether. Sarcoptic mites are scabies (Nits). They're highly contagious, just like human scabies are amongst young children at school. For those, you really do need to treat the environment as well as undertaking an extermination project on the dog.
 

Deacon

Boxer Booster
scabies is what the vet had told us. i read up on scabies in dogs and what to do. but i am unsure how often i should clean my house. we were thinking 3 times a week mopping and vacuuming and washing fabrics in hot water and in a dryer on high heat. I think this will kill most scabies, but i want to contain it ASAP and keep it that way. so i also plan to wash his cage every night before he goes to bed to eliminate any possibility of a re occurrence in there. I am tired of waking up to bite marks every morning.
 

Deacon

Boxer Booster
one more thing i am not sure of what meds the doctor gave us. but the 2 shots he got really helped. the bumps have gone down greatly and his itching has subsided a little bit. but my itching has not i got 3 new bite marks even though i cleaned my room very well.
 
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