Innova EVO RM

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gmacleod

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Mmmm. Not sure. When you say 'Pup' - do you mean literally a puppy? If so, I'm afraid I'd be rather cautious about feeding a food like EVO.

The thing is, current knowledge about dry dog foods links high amounts of protein, calcium and overall calories fed to puppies to the development or exacerbation of a wide range of (serious) musculoskeletal disorders - everything from Hypertrophic Osteodystrophy through to exacerbation of hip dysplasia. "Puppies" in this context means a dog that is still growing - so in the case of a boxer, up to around 18 months. EVO is substantially higher in protein than the recommended range of 22-26% for pups.

Now, I have to say, I wonder whether it is truely the protein content of the food that's a cause. Dogs fed natural diets, for example, don't have those problems. On the contrary, they usually grow more slowly. Yet they're fed a higher protein diet than even EVO... That makes me wonder if it's the carbs in dry dog food that are more at fault, or even if it's the bioavailability of the protein. Nonetheless, that's nothing more than me wondering. There are no studies to confirm that either way. I don't believe there are even any in progress, and even if there were, foods like EVO have only been around for 3 years or so. That's not long enough to tell.

In another 5-10 years, things might be different. We may know with reasonable certainty whether foods like this are safe or good for pups. But for now, I think you need to pay heed to the knowledge that *is* available - and that says that foods this high in protein are likely to cause or contribute to musculoskeletal disorders in growing pups, and therefore should not be fed until skeletal maturity is reached.

It is worth noting that the manufacturer of EVO has said in the past that the food should not be fed to puppies. And here's an old thread that discusses the role of overnutrition in the exacerbation of hip dysplasia (it's a useful one because it contains quite a few veterinary links): http://www.boxerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66335

In short, I think EVO is a wonderful food and these new generation types are a huge improvement on the conventional kibbles. But until it is known how the food impacts upon musculoskeltal growth (ie. if the same problems exist as for conventional kibble) then it is wiser not to feed this type of food to a growing pup. So if your 'Pup' really is a pup, then an alternative food with lower protein would be a better choice. Let someone else's dog be the guineapig ;)

In suggestions, how about something like Natural Balance's Sweet Potato & Fish formula? It's grainless, but very much lower in protein and overall calories. Here's a review: http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/showproduct.php?product=171&cat=all
 

gmacleod

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Probably not, but you'll have to check for yourself to know for sure.

Large pet stores are not commonly noted for carrying high quality foods. They mostly stock the low end stuff that they can shift in bulk. The best bet for good quality food is feed stores, or smaller non-chain pet stores. The manufacturer website www.naturapet.com does have a store locator though - it probably won't have *all* stockists listed, but it's a good place to start looking anyway.
 

CTteach1331

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My pup is 5 months old. I thought about the whole adult/pup food thing too but when I looked on the back, it said by age and weight how much to feed him and 5-7 months, it says for a 50 lb pup ! is 3-4 cups daily. So I thought that if it told you how much to feed him that it would be ok?

I will have to check out that thread you told me about....

We had Natural Balance's duck and potato but he seemed to get bored with it and didn't eat it after awhile. I must say I'm spending a fortune on different foods for Clem to have, trying to help him be the healthiest he can be naturally......

Thanks for all of your comments~
Robyn
 

gmacleod

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Try Timberwolf's website - they can help you to locate a retailer, or you can order direct from them (I think shipping is currently free, but that's another thing you'd need to check! LOL). www.timberwolforganics.com

Note also that not all the Timberwolf formulas are suitable for growing pups either. It's an excellent food, but with a 5 month old, you need to choose a suitable formula (with this food some are, some aren't). It's best not to stray too far out of the 22-26% protein and 0.8-1.3% calcium ranges, if possible.
 

CTteach1331

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I really feel bad because I keep switching his food. Just the other day, I read on the foodanalysis site that Wellness was a good product but so we tried that for 2 days and then I read someone complaining about it so we went to Innova after I heard huge compliments for it.....and I keep mixing with his old food the California Natural.

So, do you think Timberwolf is a good product that I should def. try?

Thanks again~
Robyn
 

gmacleod

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Wellness *is* a good product ;) But there's no food in existence that suits every single dog. Just because it doesn't suit one dog does not mean another won't do brilliantly on it. In fact, it seems to be a food with greater extremes than some - meaning it either loves your dog or hates it, not much in between. If yours happens to be one that it loves, then there's absolutely no reason not to feed it. On ingredients, it is a high quality food. So don't let someone else's bad experience put you off if that's the sole problem.

Innova is another product a little that way. Standard Innova I mean here, not the EVO. It's one that most dogs do extremely well on, but some just don't. Again, not every food will ever suit every dog - so look at the quality of the ingredients first, and how it suits your individual dog second. Other people's dogs don't really count. LOL - looked at the other way round, you wouldn't keep feeding a food that your dog kept vomitting just because everyone else you could find feeding it were having great results, would you?

Anyway. If your particular dog does well on Wellness - then there's no reason not to feed it. It is a good quality food. If it doesn't suit your dog - then you simply feed something else. Same as with any other food.

To answer your actual question on Timberwolf though - yes, I think that one is one of the best dry food products it's possible to buy. The vast majority of people using it are reporting very good results. Of course, that cannot guarantee that it's going to suit your particular dog, but nothing can do that. The only way to find out is to try it.
 

CTteach1331

Boxer Booster
listen to what vet says!

So, today I dropped off another sample to be tested for giardia and ask the vet that was on call about the whole protein, organic food, which food he thought was best and listen to what this old vet says....."Go to Stop and Shop, buy food there, save your money, they are all the same, it doesn't matter." I was arguing with him about the by-products and he said that it's like shampoo (which shampoo is best) and then after I tell him about the website and what I learned about Iams when Clem and I first started out that it was crap and he said, "The website must be owned by someone who is a competitor."

I was aghast when he was talking to me and then the secretary put a piece of paper in front of me which said Solid Gold...we talked and she uses it on her boxer and he loves it and she understands about what I'm talking about with the by-products and everything...

So I went and bought Solid Gold Wolfcub to begin cutting/mixing in with his old food.....I'm going to stick with this and see what happens, it's bison and salmon so it's different from his lamb California Natural that he's had.

Also, does anyone mix up their dry with can? He seems to like the dry with some wet/canned food mixed in......

Thanks all, love this place, even told the secretary about it~

Robyn

Mommy to Clem, 5 month old brindle male, docked tail, natural ears~
 

GoCougs

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CTteach1331 said:
"Go to Stop and Shop, buy food there, save your money, they are all the same, it doesn't matter." I was arguing with him about the by-products and he said that it's like shampoo (which shampoo is best)

Vets aren't normally trained in animal nutrition, so he isn't likely to know what you are talking about. I'm sure to him, they are all the same.

Obviously, vets aren't trained in hair care products either. :LOL:
 
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