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[Dad's Boxer]

We have a wonderful six year old deaf white that we adopted through Heart of Ohio Boxer Rescue. Butler fit into the household the minute he bounded through the door. He has never acted "deaf", although there are times that we wish our younger white hearing boxer didn't hear so well! Sometimes we think that Butler hears exactly what he wants to hear. Butler is the sweetest 85 lb snuggle buddy we could ever want. We would gladly adopt another deaf boxer any day.

 

[Dela]

Deaf White Boxers

I have met two white boxers - they belonged to my friend Liz. They were brother and sister from the same litter. Jed was put to sleep after snapping at a child which was blowing in his ear (we think he got a fright as he didn't hear him coming) and Jade, his little sister died just recently as a result of a penchant for eating stones...v.sad.
These boxers were both deaf - didn't bother Liz as her husband was an RAF dog handler and had a great life while they were here. A point raised earlier about European boxers - many boxer breeders in the UK still as a matter of course euthanase white boxer puppies, as much to try to end genetic disorders (mate my white bitch to your white dog down the road and make £300 per puppy and hang any health testing) as to end the deafness cycle. The opinion here is that white boxers are definitely susceptible to deafness and, it is alleged, other genetic disorders such as heart problems, more than their coloured counterparts.

 

[BxrKay9]

The opinion here is that white boxers are definitely susceptible to deafness and, it is alleged, other genetic disorders such as heart problems, more than their coloured counterparts.

and with that opinion people still continue to produce white Boxers?

Would like to insert swear word here but I'm sure that would be against some rule or another so I'll just say.............WHY?

 

[Eddie's mom]

Originally posted by BxrKay9


and with that opinion people still continue to produce white Boxers?

EXACTLY!!! I am not a breeder, I am no expert, I have learned what I know about white boxers in the last year from this site and some surfing. I understand the reason for "culling" ............BUT when I hear that breeders are breeding FLASHY BOXERS and then euthenizing the white pups I could just SCREAM!

 

[dawn law]

deaf boxers

i had two white deaf puppys in one of my litters

 

[whiteone]

this is crazy

wow! I haven't been here for a while and I see this is still going on, this Great debate....
I happen to own a deaf white and this is really silly, we all understand that all or any dog that is white Can be prone to deafness.So whats the fight about? I hapen to think that god put everything here for a reason and we are the ones that continue to mess things up. The culling of whites has not stoped the population.. The fawns and brindles have been producing them for years.... The first boxer was white we all know that and so maybe all boxers will carry the gene to produce whites who knows... Not me and may I say I have not found anyone who has the answers to the questions in ref to whites... I feel they should be just let to do the job they where put here to do GIVE LOVE@!! That is what it is all about right? Not who can make the most $ in the ring we are taking about our best friends!!!!
enjoy your dog and let them enjoy you...
have a GREAT DAY!!!!!

 

[JulieM]

I know I'm going to regret this....

whiteone, I don't know why you are so intent on finding a fight or a fuss here when there clearly is none. This is a simple discussion about different people's experiences with white Boxers, some deaf, some not. The only fight going on is in your imagination.

I'm still trying to figure out how you can say this is a great debate and also is really silly, but I'll skip over that for now....I just want to correct some factual information.

The first boxer was white we all know that and so maybe all boxers will carry the gene to produce whites who knows.

The first registered Boxer was a brindle, his dam I believe was a brindle parti-color. (I've given the specifics on that before.) And no, not all Boxers carry the gene to produce whites, only those that carry the white marking pattern gene do (the genetically "flashy" Boxers). Which means that the genetically plain Boxers cannot produce whites.

Not me and may I say I have not found anyone who has the answers to the questions in ref to whites

If you mean the questions regarding health, you're correct in that their have been no studies done. If you mean questions regarding genetics, there are several people that have the answers to those and they've been posted here and elsewhere on the Internet.

That is what it is all about right? Not who can make the most $ in the ring

This is a common misconception, but it never hurts to point out that it is very rare to make money showing your dog. Some few shows do have cash prizes for Group and Best In Show wins - but even the most lucrative of these do not begin to touch the expenses of campaigning the dog.

The saying is, "There's lots of money in showing dogs. I know that's where all mine goes!"

 

[whiteone]

noone should ever have any regrets when it comes to there opinion. The first Boxer was white..... regardless of registration.
And yes Iam sure that many people spend Big Time money on there Show Dogs and most of the shows are not $ shows, but do they not make money on the offspring from champion dogs?

I just feel like this is a never ending battle everysite u go to it's the same old thing and it's not about health issues, most of it has to due w/ weather a white boxer is deaf or not and who or what causes it. And if culling is right or wrong...
Like I said before I let my dogs have fun life is short... If this issue was soooo important to everyone then why are there not better studies on th White Boxer.
Once again thank you for your time....
I happen to enjoy your opinion
HAve a Great day

 

[goldfishpal]

I am relatively new to boxers and don't know much about breeding, but actually, I think true responsible show breeders make next to nothing, if anything from their dogs. They put so much time and money into health testing and proper care of the mother and pups that usually their costs are hardly covered by the pups' sale. Granted, there are always exceptions to everything, but I think that is the general situation.

I am sure the hugely popular and noted champions from well known breeders may go for exhorbitant, ridiculous prices, and in those cases, I can see where perhaps beyond all the showing, health tests, and other costs, they may make a bit of money off of their pups. Other than that, typically only puppy mills and irresponsible back yard breeders breed and sell for money.

Just my 2 cents and what I have learned over the last several months...

 

[JulieM]

noone should ever have any regrets when it comes to there opinion.

I don't regret my opinion, I just may regret getting involved in this discussion.

The first Boxer was white..... regardless of registration.

Can you provide a reference for this?

And yes Iam sure that many people spend Big Time money on there Show Dogs and most of the shows are not $ shows, but do they not make money on the offspring from champion dogs?

No, they do not. Sarah explained it quite well, responsible breeders are very lucky indeed if they break even on a litter.

I just feel like this is a never ending battle everysite u go to it's the same old thing and it's not about health issues, most of it has to due w/ weather a white boxer is deaf or not and who or what causes it. And if culling is right or wrong...

I'm not sure which sites you're visiting, so can't comment on that - I haven't seen battles on the issue on more than one or two. I can't imagine why there'd be a battle over whether a white Boxer is deaf or not, that's easy enough to find out, and the cause is quite well known. The issue of culling - both in the literal sense of removing from the gene pool (by placing in pet homes on spay/neuter contracts) or in the generally concluded sense of euthanizing - is an emotional topic and everyone has their own opinions on it. There is not, nor will there ever be, one approach that is right (or wrong) for everyone.

If this issue was soooo important to everyone then why are there not better studies on th White Boxer.

The issue is really not that important to breeders, in the sense you're talking. We know where white Boxers come from, and we know how to avoid producing them if we don't want to. We cannot say the same thing about heart problems, and that is where the research money is - and should be - devoted. Those who believe that whites are less healthy are becoming fewer and fewer, with the vast lack of scientific and anecdotal evidence to support their views, and there is frequent discussion among the more enlightened members of the fancy on the topic (generally nothing gets solved, but one or two different twists on the subject come up).