how many champions on a pedigree

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carole

carole

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How many champions would you expect to see on a dogs pedigree. The one I have is a five generation and has 62 names.
Star has 14 champions on it. The ones she has are from good well known kennels. Would like to know what the average is for a boxers pedigree.
 
Alisha Mobley

Alisha Mobley

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I'm guessing it will be different for different countries...from what I understand it's not as easy to finish a dog in the UK as it is in the states (and it doesn't seem easy over here!). So I'd guess that you'll see less Champions in a (well bred) UK Boxer's pedigree than you would in a (well bred) NA Boxer's.:)
 
carole

carole

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On erics pedigree you have CH Jenroy Pop My Cork to Walkon.
Star has him on her mothers side back to the last generation on the pedigree.
 
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Debbie Magon

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originally posted by carole

How many champions would you expect to see on a dogs pedigree. The one I have is a five generation and has 62 names.
Star has 14 champions on it. The ones she has are from good well known kennels. Would like to know what the average is for a boxers pedigree.
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Like Matt said , it varies.
Many good dogs are never shown so Championship status can mean very little to many.
Some of the best "champion boxers" I have ever seen reside on someones couch and have never seen the inside of a show ring! ;)

originally posted by Alisha Mobley
I'm guessing it will be different for different countries...from what I understand it's not as easy to finish a dog in the UK as it is in the states (and it doesn't seem easy over here!). So I'd guess that you'll see less Champions in a (well bred) UK Boxer's pedigree than you would in a (well bred) NA Boxer's.
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England can have upwards of 250 boxers entered per show.
The number of show boxers in England per capita, far outweigh America. This makes it extremely difficult to make a boxer up before he is classed as a veteran.
They have no points system as such, but are only required to obtain 3 challenge certificates for a championship status.

In countries like NZ and OZ, it is a similar story.
Fairly large entries per capita of show dogs, with a very political twist.
An even harder fact is that NZ require 8 Challenge certificates be awarded before championship status is given and have no points system such as Australia.

As a breeder I look at what the dogs ancestors have produced and not titles gained.
 
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JulieM

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Absolutely. A smaller number of Champions in a pedigree means a lot more in the US/Canada than it does in other countries. Debbie explained the difficulties of showing Boxers in the UK and down under, but what she didn't mention is that dogs who have already achieved their Championship are competing for the same CC as dogs who have not. (In the US and Canada, once a dog has earned it's Championship, they no longer compete for the points.)

And, of course, there are a fair number of Champions in the US and Canada that are not great representatives of the breed. However, if you're buying a pet, you at least know that the breeder of those Champions is having their stock evaluated. If you're buying a show/breeding prospect, you'll want to look not only at Champions (or other titleholders) but at SOM/DOM/LOM producers as well.
 
Alisha Mobley

Alisha Mobley

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England can have upwards of 250 boxers entered per show.
The number of show boxers in England per capita, far outweigh America. This makes it extremely difficult to make a boxer up before he is classed as a veteran.
They have no points system as such, but are only required to obtain 3 challenge certificates for a championship status.
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I've also read that in the UK there are far less Championship shows per year compared to NA per year, giving you less chances to show and finish your Boxer.:eek:
 
Alisha Mobley

Alisha Mobley

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but what she didn't mention is that dogs who have already achieved their Championship are competing for the same CC as dogs who have not.
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A good point!

I've often wondered if very many bitches finished in the UK while Misty was showing...only 1 bitch will receive the CC per show and from the looks of Misty's record you'd think she took it each time she competed!
 
Kysha

Kysha

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This thread caught my attention and I pulled out Owen and Tegan's pedigree's and found the following:

Tegan has 25 champions in her pedigree (Tegan is a Canadian Champion too!). 9 Canadian only champions, 11 American and Canadian champions, 5 American only champions, 10 SOM, and 4 DOM. This was as of 1996, there could have been more DOM and SOM obtained since then.

Owen has 21 Champions in his pedigree. 12 Canadian only champions, 7 American and Candian champions, and 2 American only champions, 9 SOM, and 2 DOM. This was as of 1999, there could have been more DOM and SOM obtained since.

I find pedigrees in general so interesting.
 
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Debbie Magon

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Debbie explained the difficulties of showing Boxers in the UK and down under, but what she didn't mention is that dogs who have already achieved their Championship are competing for the same CC as dogs who have not. (In the US and Canada, once a dog has earned it's Championship, they no longer compete for the points.)
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Guess I wasnt aware of that one Julie!
Would make a lot of sense here as the top winning boxers also belong to judges in 99% of the case.

Oops, did I also forget to mention that Judges show their own dogs here and no one can stop them or even wants to entertain a show rule change?
Funny that isnt it.
Wonder if its got something to do with the fact that , the powers that be, are all judges themselves/ :confused: ;)

Bottom line is. New Zealands show world is so political you could probably write the CCs up before a show;)
 
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