How many babies are from BYB's?

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  • Reputable Breeder

    Votes: 30 29.4%
  • BYB

    Votes: 72 70.6%

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boxer

Boxer Insane
You might have seen "reports" of dogs costing $2000, but if you take a look through previous threads on the cost of a well bred boxer, you'd find that a more normal, or average price is about $1000-1500.

It varies by area, of course, as does everything. In some places people can get very nicely bred puppies from properly health screened stock for a lot less than that. In some other places it is more.

The highest prices though, are usually in the pet stores ;) Where you're paying $1500 - $3000 for the untested and, frankly, crappy products of puppy mills.

So I don't think that cost is the whole story. Look more closely at the "I want it and I want it NOW" mentality of our society. We don't look too carefully (or just look the other way) at what we're buying and what our money is supporting when we buy from pet stores and BYBs because that might mean we wouldn't get our new toy right NOW. Sad, but true.

Health testing generations of dogs to screen out genetic disease costs money. So does raising litters in the home-based environment at a low production rate that enables each puppy to be given the individual attention needed to ensure it becomes a properly socialised and handled pup, ready to be handed on to it's new home in confidence.

You can buy the mass-produced products of mills and BYBs for sure. Your dog might not look or act much like a boxer should, but you'll save some money upfront in doing so. And a little while later you'll be posting on boxerworld about the hereditary mange your pup has, why it can't be housebroken since its become conditioned to eliminating in it's den (cage), can't understand soft biting since it left it's mother too soon and hasn't had the individual attention needed to understand how to interact with humans, or that your pup has just been diagnosed with cardiomyopathy (or any of the other serious genetic diseases that could probably have been prevented if you'd bought from a responsible breeder) and is about to cost you $5000 in vet fees for a 50/50 chance of survival for the next couple of years.

How many times does that sad story play itself out on this site?

$2000 is very much on the high side of what a puppy from a responsible breeder costs. But it's even a reasonable cost when you consider the russian roulette you're playing when you buy a mill puppy or the product of a BYB. Maybe you'll get a healthy pup, but the risks are very much higher that you'll end with the massive vet bills and ongoing heartbreak that comes with genetically inherited diseases.

You reap what you sow - and if you support the mass producing millers with your money, then expect to be paying for it a little further down the track in vet bills instead. Expect also that the costs of buying from a responsible breeder will remain high - the fewer people who're supported by the consumers for their responsible approach to breeding means there will be fewer taking the responsible route. And that, in turn, keeps the costs of doing so high. No point then in complaining that "it costs too much".

You don't have the money to buy responsibly, but do you have the money to support a sickly pup instead? If not, then you simply shouldn't be buying a dog at all. However much you want it "right now".

For anybody who doesn't want to look the other way and not see where their money goes when they buy from a pet store, take a look at this link to see where that bargain basement puppy came from and what your money goes to support when you decide that you can't afford to support responsible breeding practices instead: www.prisonersofgreed.org
 
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Letty

Banned
We got Molly from I would call them somewhat of reputable breeders.
They were first time beerders, they did all they could for the puppies and MOllys mom. But they did not do all of the health testing on parts. However, Mollys mom came from a reputable breeder as did her father with all health testing done. NOt that I am making excuses I'm not. She didn't come to us totally healthy but she is great now and that's what matters to me.
 

xenaprincess

Boxer Insane
Unfortunately for Xena, she came from a puppy mill. She was a gift from my dad just before he passed away. Actually, he had bought and paid for Xena (and her sister for my mom), from what he thought was a reputable breeder. My dad was not informed about BYB's. He passed away in Jaunary of 97, and the breeder called us in Febuary (Valentines Day) to inform us that the pups were ready to leave the litter. We (mom & I) had no idea we were ready to become owned by boxers, and because Dad had JUST passed away, the gift was so much more special to us and we both cherish our fur-babies as our last gift from my dad. I drove out to the breeders to pick up the pups and I was so sick and heavy-hearted when I left there. There were dogs in outdoor pens (this was Febuary) with frozen water in their dishes...the adults were full of mange and had matted coats..the pups were skinny and sickly looking...watery eyes..runny noses, full of fleas (in FEBUARY!!!), etc. There were dogs of many breeds, not just boxers, so that was another red-flag that this was a full blown puppy mill!! :mad: I told the "breeder" what I thought of his business and that I was calling authorities to come and investigate the well-being of these poor dogs! I took the 2 pups with me, happy to rescue them from the hell they were in, and I was in tears the whole 2hr car ride home!! Within 1yr of that time, I was so happy to see that the puppy mill in Pickering, Ontario had been closed!! appicon
Spirit came from a good breeder, or so I thought. The breeder has a very strong passion for the breed,however, proper health testing was NOT done as I had thought. My fault for not researching more. I was struck with what Boxer describes as the "gotta have it now" syndrome. Shortly after bringing Spirit into our home, I learned that Spirits mother was "put down" because...I HATE this...she was "worn out" from having too many litters at the age of 3!!!! My heart was heavy with sadness and guilt for being one person who, unknowingly, contributed to her untimely death by lining the pockets of her stupid owners! :mad:
Anyway, today I have 2 beautiful boxers that I would not trade for the world. I only wish that all pups from BYB's were just as lucky as my 2.
 

beausmommy

Boxer Insane
My boys are both from bybs. I got them both before I knew about BW. Beau's breeder is actually one of the "better" bybs. She screens all families very carefully, made me neuter Beau and made me agree to bring him back to her if I ever decided that I couldn't keep him. I didn't pay a cent for him, either. I'm in NO WAY defending bybs because I'll never give another byb a penny (as I did for Bailey). However, I am glad that his breeder doesn't breed her dogs to death and charge outrageous amounts for them. Now that I have been warned about bybs, all my future dogs will be rescues!
 

tugger

Super Boxer
TUGs mom and dad were both on site when we picked her from the litter. The guy who sold her to us gave us his vets name and let us check all his records on the parents. We got the papers within a month of bringing her home and so far so good.
I am sure the breeder is what is considered a backyard breeder but he seemed to be passionate about the breed and said if we had any problems bring her back. So far so good. Its almost a year ago.
We paid $450 for her and when I registered her I only paid for the certificate as I was only going to have her as a pet and didnt see the need to spend the extra money on her pedigree.
I guess I am guilty of the gotta have society we live in. I wanted her and I wanted her now. I wonder how many of these people who raise a litter of pups consider themselves BYB. They do the vet work and spend a lot of money getting these pups ready to go. Not to mention all the work a litter of pups can create. I was lucky after all the horror stories I have read on here.
 

marisisky

Super Boxer
ChrisM said:
I can honestly see why people would go to a BYB though, I have seen reports of dogs costing close to 2000.00 from a "reputable" breeder!!! All I want is a companion and a member of the family. A price like that would put most purebred dogs so out of reach that it turns into an elitest group!!

Chris

Chris, I am sympathetic to your view on price making it impossible sometimes for the average family to have a dog from a reputable breeder, however, I can't help but argue that since there are soooo many dogs/puppies available at shelters then maybe those who can't afford to pay a lot should give a home to a puppy (from a shelter) in need.

Reputable breeders aren't making lots of money when they charge their high prices, the health testing and showing, etc. is just rolled into the price of the puppies they do end up selling.

I guess I am saying that if a person buys a Boxer from any old breeder, be it puppymill or BYB, they aren't going to be guaranteed that the Boxer they purchased is going to act the way a Boxer is meant to act or even look just like they are supposed to look, therefore why not just buy a cute dog/puppy from a shelter or rescue a Boxer?

I don't know,I just get so frustrated hearing about puppymills and BYB's flourishing because people just hadn't had the opportunity to educate themselves, didn't want to educate themselves or didn't care if they were supporting a breeder who knows nothing about protecting the characteristics of the breed.

Marisa
 

marisisky

Super Boxer
Thomas Liggin said:
marisisky said:
Just about every shopping mall has a pet store. They sell birds, hamsters, guinea pigs, tropical fish, reptiles, and dogs. The puppies are usually in cages behind a glass wall. You got the money, they'll sell you a puppy, no questions asked.

Most pet stores get their dogs from puppy mills, though some of the pups may come from backyard breeders. None of their pups come from responsible breeders, to my knowledge.

Most of the sales of "pet stores" are the pets, unlike Petsmart or Petco. Most of their sales are food, toys and supplies, though they do sell small critters such as birds, fish, mice, etc.


Tom

Tom, I know what the pet stores in the malls are like, what I was saying is that I didn't think there are any franchised pet stores in business within malls. What are the names of the pet stores that you've seen recently in the malls?

I seriously am curious because Passpets was the only pet store that I've known/seen selling puppymill pets out of and they are no longer in business (at least in St. Louis area malls).
 
ShaKira is definately from a BYB, but that was before I knew there was a difference. Believe it or not there was a time that I thought ALL breeders were equal and that puppies in pet stores were awesome, but that was before BW, I feel like I was so ignorant to not have seen the damage that was being done. I am so grateful to have BW and to have the knowledge that I gain on a daily basis.
 
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