thanks all, I guess i should restate my intro.... "disfigured" is perhaps a little too harsh.... sorry for that, it just makes their ears look so "raw" or "hacked" or "mangled" .... I just dont know how else to put it... Its banned everywhere in the world except U.S and (amazingly enough) Canada, i know you wont find a vet anywhere that will do this surgery nor support it, so it makes me shudder at the kind of back-room surgeries these poor pups are subject too.... i think and hope this antiquated practice is becoming a relic...