Head Tremor/seizure

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JadeLynn

Boxer Pal
We took my 1 1/2 year old Boxer to the beach with us for the first time last week. She loved it and was a complete angel all week. She started bobbing her head though while waking up from naps. Thats the only time it happens is when she is resting or waking up from her naps. She is completly alert, knows who I am, walks around, etc. It last about 1-3 min. She doesn't seem to be in any pain. I called my vet and she said that some breeds tend to be more prone to this. She said as long as she isn't in any pain, she wouldn't put her on meds. unless it gets worse. She is having them once a day to every other day. I took her to the vet last night to have bloodwork done just to double check her. I should here something back this evening or tomorrow. She said that they usually don't progress to full seizures but they could. She said they usually don't outgrow them but there is a possibility. The thing is, she is also on injections and meds for allergy's. She is allergic to a lot. We've had testing done on her.

I know I've seen this on other boards. Has anyone had any good info.? Encouraging info. distributed to them? Any good outcomes? Please let me know what you think. I am really worried. I keep trying to tell myself though that I'm doing everything I can and now its in God's hands. It hurts though. I love my dogs.
 

JadeLynn

Boxer Pal
LvnBoxers

Thank you so much for the kind words. I don't there is anything she could have gotten into. We don't keep anything out. And if it was something in the trash or at the beach, it should have stopped by now right? The vet last night really seemed to think it was just epilepsy beginning. I hope this stops, but I just don't know.
 

Ozzie

Super Boxer
Seeing as you say this happens when she is waking up, I would ask your vet. to check her heart.

Here's why I'm saying that: I had a dog that experienced "mild" seizures only at night when he was trying to sleep. He was much older than your dog, but the problem was ultimately traced to a heart condition that was resulting in not enough blood being pumped to his brain. It only happened when his heart slowed down enough (like when he was trying to sleep).

He was treated--very successfully--via oral medication.

I would ask your vet. to check her heart.

Good luck to you,

Bob.
 

JadeLynn

Boxer Pal
lvnboxers

What is the difference between head tremors and seizures? My vet told me they were the same except head tremors are just more exact and concentrated. How often was your boxer having them? My boxer has had approx. 9 since Mon. 10th.

We switched allergy meds. She had been on Amtriptylline for a long time along with Allergy injections. About a month ago, we stopped the Amtriptylline for about a week, and then a week later started her on Benodryl. We tried that for a 1- 1 1/2 and then stopped that and put her on Medrol. Still on allergy injections. Guessing dates, but about that. The doctor told me if it was med. related though, we would have seen this about 24 hours after taking meds for first time.

We had a specialist come and spray our yard one evening, but my husband said it was dry when he let them go on the yard again. I don't know what to do now. All of the changes we made, were done at almost a week before we left and longer. What do you think? my vet really thinks its the start of epilepsy.
 

JadeLynn

Boxer Pal
Ozzie

Thanks for the reply. We checked her before we left for vacation on the 1st of May, b/c she had scratched a place open on her ear from allergies. They listened to her heart then and said it sounded good. Said she overall looks and sounds healthy. I will mention it again though.
 

leighann

Boxer Buddy
I know seizures and tremors can look horrifying. But let me ease your mind a little bit. My son turned 13 last year and on x-mas day had his first seizure, and now has full blown epilepsy. It looks alot worse than what it is. I can't tell you how many emergency room trips I have made for them to tell me that he had a seizure and to go home. They are soo scary, especially since he is a teenager that wanted to live a normal life and now I am scared to let him take a bath. Let alone ride his bike, go swimming and other stuff. Especially when he says he is a big boy and take care of himself. If this is what it is, the vet can prescribe him meds. and they will go away as long as you give them. If dogs are any thing like people, the only time to really worry is if they last longer than 15 minutes and don't stop. Also if you forget to give meds, it can make one happen. You have to keep a certain level in the bloodstream and time can make this go away. Your dog can live a happy normal life with seizures, You have one advantage, this is your baby and always will be there will be no growing up, big boy stuff. And you have a way to always keep him safe. I hope this eases your mind a little.
 

hugomom1

Super Boxer
My baby is also having head temors

We have an appt in less than two weeks with the doggie neurologist at OSU. The only thing that I can figure is that is maybe has something to do with his ear infections. It seems like he always has a really bad ear infection when he's getting these wild head tremors. It also may be the plumeria renuzit odor spray. And, of course, he was accidently hit in the head with a stick at the dog park when he was a puppy. It's scary to watch! His little pupils dialate, his eyes get glossy and his little head shakes like crazy. Our vet thought the first time it happened he may have licked at the lawn fertilizer, even though we had a fence around it. But we haven't used it since, so who knows what's causing it.

Hugo has already had a CBC and it all came back normal. So did his thyroid test. Next is probably a liver/bile work-up and MRI. I would just LOVE to know what's causing this. I'll post the results of the Neuro appt after we go since there are so many on here who seem to be having the same problems.
Stacie
*mommy of Hugo
 

binky

Super Boxer
From:
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Epilepsy is not a single disease. It is intermittent, repeated seizures with an unknown cause. The seizures are also called convulsions or fits and are caused by any process that alters normal brain function. When electrical impulses in the brain go haywire, they short-circuit normal brain processes, resulting in a seizure. Seizures can occur in dogs of all ages. There are two major groups of problems: brain and non brain problems.

Brain problems that cause seizures may include true epilepsy, brain infections, degenerative conditions of brain tissue, brain tumors, stroke like conditions, blood clots and injury to the head.

Non brain problems that may cause seizures include ingested poisons, kidney disease, liver disease, heart disease, low blood sugar, nerve and muscle problems and infections.


Epilepsy is either idiopathic or aquired.

Idiopathic (without a known cause) epilepsy is genetic or hereditary.

Acquired epilepsy is usually caused by an outside source; toxins, infective organism, and trauma. Treating Epilepsy Holistically - The goal of alternative treatments is to train the animal’s body to fix itself. “Control with drugs suppresses the brain function.” states Dr. Pitcairn. Many pet owners don’t realize that techniques such as diet threapy, homeopathy, herbology, aromatherapy, and acutuncture can improve the health and wellbeing of their epileptic dog. There are two types of seizures - petite mal and grand mal.

Infrequent petit mal seizures are brief fits, usually invole nodding, chewing, licking, or minor twitching. Dogs often collapse into a sitting or lying position but don’t fall over on their sides. They tend to have a partial loss of conciousness with a faraway look in their eyes. Grand mal seizures have three stages: The aura stage - signals the beginning of the seiaure. The animal may pace, whine, tremble, wander, hide, be affectionate or flee. The aura may last a few sseconds or many hours and it can alert owners that a seizure is imminent. Not all dogs experience the aura. The ictus - is the seizure, characterized by sudden stiffening and shaking of all the muscle groups, followed by running movements. It ususally lasts one to three minutes. The Postictus - follows the seizure. The dog may be confused, restless, unresponsive, excited, panting or may want to go outside. Other types of seizures exist - Partial seizures - movements are restricted to one area of the body, such as muscle jerking, movement of one limb, or facial twitching. Complex partial seizures - these are bizarre behaviors such as fly biting, hysterical running, cowering, or hiding. Vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal distress, salivation, and temporary blindness. Cluster seizures - Multiple seizures occur within a short time span with only brief periods of conciousness. Status epilepticus - one continuous seizure lasting 30 minutes or more or a series of multiple seizures with no periods of normal conciousness, It can end in death if not controlled.


One of my dogs (13 yrs) has petite seizures - she has head tremors for roughly 15 seconds, she is sorta froze and seems slightly "out of it" but comes right out of it like nothing happened. She has MANY, MANY, MANY every day. She's been on Phenobarb for a couple of years now. It helped lessen the severity of the seizures, but they have never gone away completely. At this stage in her life, I don't want to up the Phenobarb doseage, as the seizures really don't seem to affect her quality of life.
 

nancywilding

Boxer Pal
Penelope (2 1/2) has been having head tremors for almost a year - sometimes once a month, but last month she had three. We had her heart tested as recommended by our vet "because she's a boxer". She has a slight irregularity but the cardiologist said it was nothing to worry about. We just had her blood work done again after reading all the posts on this site. Blood sugar is low normal. Thryoid is 1.3 on a scale of 1 to 4. Our vet suggested trying her on a low dose of thyroid to see if that helped. The vet said the only side effect would possibly she could be more hyperactive, but she is very calm for her age (maybe because her thyroid is low?) I hate to put her on any drugs because the tremors are fairly infrequent but am considering trying this. I also cannot figure out if she's getting into any toxins. I don't use chemicals in the yard, keep the cabinet under the sink locked, etc.
Its so worrying to see this happen to them.
 

hugomom1

Super Boxer
Update!

We saw the neurologist yesterday. Hugo had neurological tests ran and they determined that he does have a slightly lower reflex in his right rear hind quarters. They deduced that whatever is going on is in the left side of his brain. They ran some additional toxicology blood tests and one to check for viral and bacterial infections. We're awaiting the results. They narrowed the cause to two things: either idiopathic focal seizures with an undetermined (as yet) cause, or scar tissue on the brain that has developed from a blow to the head he got at the dog park as a puppy.

Since they do not happen often or with much severity, the dr wants to wait and have us document them for the next few months. If they worsen or happen more frequently, we are taking him back for an MRI and spinal fluid check. Hopefully, we will learn more from the last couple of blood tests.

Stacie
worried mommy of Hugo
 
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