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phillyboxer

Boxer Buddy
I just wanted to let you all know how reading your story gives me hope. I recently about 2 months ago rescused a 4 year old boxer from the spca. She had been adopted once and then return cause the family couldn't deal with her "issues". And although we have problems and i miss not having a puppy phase. I dont think i would ever give her up. Although there are time when i want to kill her for tearing up the trash, i know that she just has to learn the rules and relize that she not going anywhere and she's stuck with me ... she has separation issues and sever aggression for other dogs.. but she loves people especially my 1 year old niece, she licks her face (gross yes but my niece loves it) so i guess i shouldn't complain about those things...
i just wanted to say good job and i'm so glad i read your posts you give me hope that after xena will get better.
 

ulbsterx

Boxer Booster
fighting etc.

Hello, I just wanted to thank everyone for these postings. Just reading them has made me feel more hopeful. We have Reznor (male almost two) and Sugar (female and aprox. four). Reznor came home as a puppy (and only dog) in Oct 2002. We rescued Sugar in Oct 2003. Reznor went thru the normal puppy training class and then the next "level" as well. I too have literally read everything I could find re: behavior, training, etc. etc BEFORE we brought Reznor home (to MAKE SURE we were ready!) and have continued to educate myself from then on. The dogs have lived together for about eight months now. At first, it was beyond perfect. They were automatic "best friends" and we could not believe how lucky we were. In the eight months, they have had about five REAL fights, where I had to use all of my strength to stop them. Each time it really seemed as though they wanted to kill eachother. Yesterday, they had their worst fight ever. It started because they were barking at someone walking by our house. I told them "quiet", but they would not stop barking and somehow that turned into the fight. It seems that each time they have one of these episodes, it is worse. I was barely able to stop this fight. The only way I did was by pushing Reznor as hard as possible with my foot and then when that separated them, I had to sit on him while holding them both apart. Mind you, the entire time they were snarling furiously and fighting so hard that their teeth seemed to be locked together while they were also "boxing". This was the first time I worried that there would be serious injuries. Luckily, all that happened was a small scratch on Sugar's nose. I apologize for the length of this e-mail, but it was one of the most terrifying things I have ever witnessed and it really looked like they were planning to fight to the "end". To help with the responses I hope that I get I will just add a few quick facts:
I have been home with them fulltime since Feb due to a neck injury. Before then, I was home by about 2pm everyday. Because of my injury, I am no longer able to walk them as much as I used to. We have a very large yard and I compensate in many other ways for their lack of twice daily walks. We do not know what Sugar's past was. We are her third family and the people we adopted her from kept her only as a backyard ornament and pretty much ignored her. Because of this, she has become very attached to me and seems fearful that the new life will be taken away. We have trained her and she listens VERY well and knows all basic commands and actually follows them. Both dogs have had recent health checks includ. blood tests to make sure this is not health related. The test came back normal with no noted problems. Reznor is VERY dominate and VERY spoiled and that is completely our fault which I fully admit. We have been working with him constantly to help this problem. Sugar has become much more dominate with him when he does not obey. That is often what will trigger a fight. If I give a command and either one of them does not follow it, the other will try to reinforce it. It is becoming very bad. Enough so, that we are sending them to a professional behaviorist/trainer and spending over $2,000 (that we do not have) to see if that can help. I look forward to your responses and will welcome and appreciate any and all suggestions. This board has helped us thru more "issues" than you can imagine. Thank you.
 

KCboxer4

Completely Boxer Crazy
People who care

I sit and read all the helpful suggestions and the questions we all have that we post out of love and caring for our Beloved Boxers. I am sometimes, ( All of the time ) so upset, frustrated and just plain old sick to my stomach from watching the news, reading the newspaper. Animal abuse, neglect, cruelty! Here we have a wonderful little world of Boxer people, and others, ( sorry :)
who care so much for their pets they go to any lengths. we sacrifice, we fullfill every need we think they may have. And, so much more. You all know what we do, how we do it, how we go to any length to give our babies everything.
It's not easy, I know. I have a 12 year old that ate her poop till she was 5 ate everything she could get her mouth on ( crate and all) had a bath everyday of her life till she was 2, so on and so on. Wouldnt change it for the world. Had a Brindle Male that made everything in the house that was square round. ( lots of wood putty goin on here ) we lost him to cancer, Ill never forget him or look at a window sill in the same way, then theres Maya our 4 year old flashy fawn who we call BEETLE JUICE affectionately.........cause she's crazy! Alot of work,
Thank You all!!!!! for not giving up, for hangin in, for all those poor babies that don't have it so good, in my heart I'd like to think there are more that do have it good, I hope so and pray everynight for them.
All the babies we have are soooooooooo lucky

Kim
Roxie-12 ( white)
Maya-4 ( flashy fawn)
 

amyf

Boxer Pal
Kobster01

I have had a similiar problem with my 2 1/2 year old boxer. He too is spoiled rotten and I think I have created my own problems. I am interested in finding out how you corrected the problem. He is not comfortable around children. His whole demeaner changes and his ears go back and I am very uncomfortable with him around children. He is fine with our son who is 9 years old but anyone elses children he wants nothing to do with. He has been very socialized and trained. I will not give up on him, but am desperate to find out the best way to handle this problem.


Amy F





thirdXisacharm said:
I have a 13 year old Brindle girl I rescued in 1994. Now I have also a 16 month old I have had since he was 8 weeks. I got him from a reputable breeder. I did all the homework. I KNOW boxers.....but for some reason he started getting aggressive at 5 months old. He was neutered. We went to puppy kindergarten- but he turned on my 6 yr old male bulldog and even attacked my old girl. I was at my wits end and nearly surrendered him. Finally I hooked up with an awesome woman who explained that I had to change MY behavior; I had basically turned him into a spoiled brat. I treated him like he was the ONLY dog and he started believing it. She said passing him off to someone else only increased the possibility he would get bumped from home to home. If he doesn't have a faulty personality which is rare, then the problems can be fixed. My point is; sometimes people give up too soon- they (me) do not want to admit WE are often the cause of the problem. It is lazy and selfish to give up but those unfamiliar with and uneducated about boxers could easily do just that.

I am so glad I kept him..the hard work is worth it- most of the time!!
 

furrykidmom

Completely Boxer Crazy
I don't want to give up

Please help. I do not want to give up on this boy. We have always had rescue dogs and they have all come with issues. Each has been frustrating in his or her own way but we have always gotten thru it and they have all turned out to be wonderful pets.

I used to work in vet medicine and also at a dog shelter. I know what a "throw away society" our nation has become. People have very high expectations of how a dog should behave and very little expectations of the time that they commit to the training and consistency of their upbringing.


It is with this said that I ask that you go to the previous thread on aggressive dogs and go to page 3 and read "Aggressive towards owner"

I need some real help and advice. I am afraid to jeopardize my safety but I am devastated at giving up. I realize that they cannot all be saved but so many are not that could have been if people had the right input, help and dedication. That is why I turn now to you, the board for guidance and advice.
 

courtney323

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furrykidmom -

Please read the Rules that you agreed to when joining. You need to post your Introduction (in the "Introductions" Forum) before posting elsewhere on this site.

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furrykidmom

Completely Boxer Crazy
Oops, sorry

Sorry, I thought that I did that back when Tig was sick but apparently I did not.

It is done now and I apologize
 

ulbsterx

Boxer Booster
update on agression issues

Hello,
My back story is #23 on this post. This is an update because the issues have returned and it is much worse. Both dogs did work w/ a trainer for 10 days in July and I continued to read, research, learn and apply all the info. They continued to be fine w/ eachother. No problems and they can't stand to be away from eachother and sleep, eat and play without incident daily. About 2 wks ago, I was in the yard w/ them and everything was fine. I had just eaten a piece of chicken. The next second it seemed like they were trying to kill eachother. It was more violent than any other "tiff" they've had and by the time I was able to stop it (none of the suggested methods worked) so I literally had to seperate them. I got the most injured out of the 3 of us. That same night, everything was great and they curled up together. Last Tues. my husband had just fed them (I wasn't home) and he said that out of "nowhere" Sugar lunged and attacked Reznor. In any other fight that they've had, you can see the small signs she gives him to tell him to back off. My husband said that there was no warning this time. No further problems until today. They had a total of four fights. The first was almost nothing so we separated them so they could calm, etc. They were wagging and kissing thru the baby gate, so we put them back together. No prob. until dinner time. After they were both finished and ALL food was gone, Sugar went out back using the dog door. A minute later, Reznor was getting ready to go out thru the dog door also. It appeared that she didn't want him to use the door and came rushing inside and attacked him again. He did not get hurt, but she got two small cuts above her eye and on her lips and chin. I took her to the ER to check her eye...she is fine, only surface scratch and eye irritation. We decided to try and keep tem sep. using the baby gate until we can figure out what to do now. When Sugar and I got back from the ER tonight, she and Reznor greeted (thru the gate) with waggy tails and kisses. A moment later she was doing her stiff postured stare (thru the gate) and seemed like she was trying to get around the gate to get him. The way our house is set up, it is VERY hard to keep them sep. but it looks like that is the only way we can relax for one second, let alone sleep. Thanks again for everything. It is very hard and sad when you are so used to them being great together and then all of a sudden, they seem like they want to kill eachother.
 
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