Bloat risk factors

Lola's mum

Boxer Insane
I'm glad I read this as I have been raiaing Lola's food dish off the floor as it advised to do this in my two boxer books.
My daughters guinea pig died from gastric torsion a couple of years ago.
So the advice is NOT to raise the dish off the floor then?
Thanks, this site is so informative.
 

gmacleod

Elusive Moderator
Staff member
Yes, the advice is NOT to use raised feeding dishes. Doing so increases the risk of bloat by over 100%.
 

Lmuglia

Boxer Booster
I have a question about Bloat. I am always concerned when we play - especially outside in the summer and throw a ball around, that when Grace is thirsty/hot, she really guzzles water. I know most Boxers drink alot, but I'm afraid that when we're playing, etc., and she drinks from her dish that I make sure is outside in case she needs it, can she drink too much and then go play hard again without concern? I know after she eats we don't do anything major like a walk or play/roughhouse until at least an hour later. Am I being overprotective?

RAISED DISH: I can't thank you all enough for this thread. I, too, was advised to raise the feeding dish - even bought a really snappy wrought iron one with two lovely dishes. In fact, it even recommended that "the dishes be shoulder high to the dog". Bloat is something I've read about before - especially when I got Grace, but have never heard this before. It's so frustrating that even "people who know" advise of this garbage. Ugh. Thanks - I'm headed downstairs to remove it now.

I've also gotten in the habit of putting a treat down when I can rather than giving it to her in the "sit" position - I swear to you that she inhales! When she is sitting, I put the treat in my hand and won't give her the whole thing at once - I let her bite little pieces off so it forces her not to guzzle it all at one time.

Just love this site - anything I can do to make her life happier or better is great.
 

Lmuglia

Boxer Booster
Thank you very much Joe Keating

Dear Joe Keating - I am so very sorry for your loss. It appears that you two were the best of friends (as I think most of us our with our Boxers) and I simply cannot imagine the pain of this loss. Thank you, though, for sharing this as it may help to save other best friends of course. Please know that you both will remain in my thoughts and prayers. God bless...
Lauren
 

boxer

Boxer Insane
Lmuglia said:
II know most Boxers drink alot, but I'm afraid that when we're playing, etc., and she drinks from her dish that I make sure is outside in case she needs it, can she drink too much and then go play hard again without concern? I know after she eats we don't do anything major like a walk or play/roughhouse until at least an hour later. Am I being overprotective?
Well, the research of Purdue University (two separate studies) showed that there is no link between the occurance of bloat and exercise after eating or drinking. So no, there is no need to try to keep her quiet after eating or drinking.
 

Lmuglia

Boxer Booster
Debbie you're great - and FAST! - I just printed out that whole Purdue article - I shouldn't have posted that question so fast without reading the article completely. But I really am relieved - and now also realize I'm being an idiot and don't have to "protect" her so much. Ah well, better safe than sorry, I guess, but now i won't have to get that look from her that says, "Oh please..."

Thanks

P.S. I'm wondering, since the elevated dog dishes are such a huge factor in bloat, apparently, perhaps the Dog Board might want to rethink the advertisement for such on the board? I just noticed it: "Elevated Pet Feeders" - or isn't that controlled by the Board? Just a thought...

thanks again.
 

Siribird

Boxer Buddy
What if's

Wow, this is really interesting. I too have a raised dish for my girl. I just think about how "uncomfortable" it looks for them to eat with their heads all bent down, but... sometimes I feel I think about how * I * would like to eat....But, I am not a dog, so I shouldn't presume that what I would like, is what's best for my pup.

An odd thing happened to my boxer girl last week. She was in my bed, and started kind of twitching... I assumed she was dreaming, b/c that's what it seemed like. So, I nudged her with my leg to wake her up b/c the whole bed twitches with her, etc. It soon stopped.
Then, this past Sunday, around 3am, she was twitching again, then she hopped up and spun. I immediately knew something was weird, so I hopped up too, and brought her into the bathroom where I could see her in the light. She was having muscle twitches all over. Not violent ones, but enough to freak me out. Her pupils were completely dilated and she kept burying her head in my chest. I just held her and talked calmly to her, saying "You're a good girl...you're alright." This "mild muscle twitching" went off and on for about an hour. But, all the while she wagged her tail, went potty outside (both kinds) and begged for food, so I gave her 1/2 a cup of the lamb and rice (that my partners dog eats) with warm water. She ate it up. I briefly got online looking for similar symptoms and causes... and around 5am, we went back to bed, where I felt her "mildly twitch" for another ten minutes. After that, she acted totally fine. The next morning she was fine, fine, fine. Acted normal. After talking to the vet, it looks like she a.) got into something toxic (I did see mushrooms in the lawn) or b.) she's possibly anemic, so I should keep high protein treats, etc. around for when she wakes up at night. There's also c.) brain tumor, neurological disorder, etc....which I'm hoping is not he case.
The point to this way-to-long-post is that it dawned on me, that I could be "killing her with kindness" Sounds dramatic, but here's the thing...I had switched her to a trout and potato diet (b/c she shows signs of food allergies, and it's great quality food), she also has a raised dish, plus, I give her flaxseed oil... all of these things I do b/c I care so damn much. I want "the best" for her.... but...geesh...maybe the trout and potatoes have low traces of mercury... or maybe she wasn't getting enough of the right kind of protein with it.... and maybe the raised dishes are causing her to eat too fast, and not digest properly, etc. All "what if's" but.... I'm thinking I need to get back to the basics. So, lamb and rice, fed on the floor, it is from now on. Thanks for taking the time to read this, I truly appreciate it. -L
 
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gmacleod

Elusive Moderator
Staff member
Lmuglia said:
...perhaps the Dog Board might want to rethink the advertisement for such on the board? I just noticed it: "Elevated Pet Feeders" - or isn't that controlled by the Board?
No, it isn't controlled by the board. And we can't ban everything ;) A lot of petstores advertising on google probably sell rawhides and pigs ears, and all sorts of other things we advise are dangerous for your pet, or inhumane.

Most people though, understand how advertising works. And just because an ad appears on the google banner here, won't run out and buy it imagining it's endorsed in any way by Boxerworld. I bet there's no rush on the boxer shorts either (though there's plenty of advertising for those too).
 

micmay

Boxer Booster
boxer said:
Well, the research of Purdue University (two separate studies) showed that there is no link between the occurance of bloat and exercise after eating or drinking. So no, there is no need to try to keep her quiet after eating or drinking.

I will attest to that. When I was a teenager we lost our beloved Irish Setter Mac to gastric bloat and torsion. he was not a food gulper, he quietly ate and went to my older brother's room to sleep for the night. Around 5am my brother was woken up by Mac. He was 13 (the dog not my brother) when we lost him. I do believe heredity plays a factor as Macs mother died from torsion/bloat when he was a puppy.
 
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