Black Boxers - Again!

[JulieM]

There were so many threads I couldn't decide which to post to, so I'm starting my own!

As LisaM noted, there were black Boxers early in the breed history, the result of a cross with a Schnauzer. Black is a coat color, and it is of dominant inheritance - which means that it was very easy for breeders to eliminate the black coat color gene from the breed. (Dominant means if a dog has even one gene for black coat color, it would be black - so a dog that was not black did not have a gene for black coat color, and so could not produce offspring with a gene for black coat color. Easy to get rid of in a single generation!) Any truly black Boxers today have somewhere another breed in the pedigree, much like the Estonian blue Boxers most likely have another breed somewhere in their lines.

Sidney's Mama, I'd be interested in seeing pics of your boy, now *and* when he's full-grown. Brindling does tend to shrink as the pups grow (or, you could say the space between the striping increases). I'm also curious how he is going to be AKC registered, since black is not an option for color. How are the parents registered?

And yes, I fully agree that color is not indicative of poor genetic health....however a breeder that promotes as "rare" puppies that are either not black, or not purebred, and/or one that lets puppies go to their new homes at ridiculously early ages, might be. Caveat emptor.

 

[Sidney's Mama]

black pup owner

I get a black pup
he is 8 weeks old...... not too young to go from its mother
I said they are rare she didn't......... They are rare.
How many do you know ?

 

[Lisa M]

Re: black pup owner

Originally posted by Sidney's Mama
I get a black pup
he is 8 weeks old...... not too young to go from its mother
I said they are rare she didn't......... They are rare.
How many do you know ?

I think what is frustrating is that he is a reverse brindle and you refuse to admit that he is a reverse brindle and instead want to call him "black". If I had a reverse brindle boxer that appeared black to people, when they commented on its beautiful "black" coat, I would explain to them that it isn't black but in fact was reverse brindle. I would tell them if there was a boxer that was really all black then there had to be another breed mixed in the lineage and to be suspicious of that.

I think education is important and that the only way we can deal with these matters is to correctly label and identify them. As a white boxer owner, I certainly have to do lots of explaining about color at times, but I consider it part of my responsibilty as a white boxer owner to DISPEL the myths rather than to perpetuate them. Casper is in fact a reverse brindle, and when a person is intetersted in hearing more about his coat, I will even point out the few little patches on his ears where you can see mostly dark coloring and then on just one of the spots there are a few little hairs that are fawn, thus revealing his reverse brindle gene.

One of the reasons you don't see many of the kind of boxer you have is, in my opinion, that flashy brindles and fawns do better in confirmation and breeders want to have Champion boxers in their line. What is really important is the boxer's health, temperment, ability to meet the breed standard to ethical breeders considering which dogs to breed. Coat color other - than making sure that it conforms to the breed standard - seems much less important to me than structure, health and temperment.

 

[Sarah R]

To Sydney's mama-just looking for some clarification here-if your pup was born on 1-21-01 and you picked him up on the 4th, he was just six weeks old and is now 61/2 weeks old.

 

[Kat_336]

Re: black pup owner

he is 8 weeks old...... not too young to go from its mother
I said they are rare she didn't......... They are rare.
How many do you know ? [/B]

I would also like to point out that a 8 week old puppy could look black because he is so small. As he grows their will be some fawn on him somewhere. It does not matter if it is just a small spot that makes him a reverse Brindle. They are NOT rare because their is NO black boxer. Someone sent me pictures of boxers that they said were black. The one picture that I could see real well I found fawn on his chest, around one eye and his ear. They might not be bars BUT they are their and they are fawn which makes them a Reverse Brindle. If anyone wants to argue I will get info from a very Good show/breeder who dedicates her time to IMPROVING the breed. She knows everything their is to know about the breed.

Kat

 

[Sidney's Mama]

Who is arguing ???

I am only saying what the breeder told me ! This is a chat board, not a fight board !

 

[lindawg]

I have to agree with Sidney's mamma. She is excited about getting a new puppy. Who cares what the puppy is labeled as. Black/ reverse brindle, it is still a boxer. We are on this board to talk about boxers, not to FIGHT about them.
Linda

 

[Sarah R]

Originally posted by Sarah R
To Sydney's mama-just looking for some clarification here-if your pup was born on 1-21-01 and you picked him up on the 4th, he was just six weeks old and is now 61/2 weeks old.

So is he 8 wks or 6wks?

 

[Sidney's Mama]

6 1/2 weeks

Sorry, I counted wrong on the calendar.
We got Sidney when she was 6 weeks of age.
Gage was weened from his mother when he was 4 weeks old.
His mother got sick and started to loss her fur, ?
Anyway, he eats dry food like it is going out of style. I am use to a young pup, I went threw it with Sidney, no BIG deal......

 

[Alisha Mobley]

I got mine when they were 6 weeks also. They ate fine and seemed very happy. I later learned that the reason for waiting until the pup is 8-10 weeks old before taking it from it's mother is more for the pup to stay with the litter not the mother. They learn behavior and socialization skills from the litter, leaving them all together just makes it easier for them to adjust once they are seperated. Once I start breeding mine I plan to keep them until they are at least 10 weeks but I also want to have them pretty much house broke and get them started with obedience commands before they leave. Hopfully this will make it much easier for the new owners and will aid in a well adjusted little Boxer.