Advice for 2 female household

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Cyrus2005

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My parents have a Basenji mix and an American Eskimo, both females. When the Eskimo became about 2 years old the fighting started. My Step Mom was bitten badly trying to break up one of the many fights that ensued. They now keep Kenya (Basenji mix) on Valium 2x a day and they have to keep them separated at all times. I feel bad for Kenya as she is kept isolated more so than her sister. (Step mom likes the Eskimo better).

No myth here, just a real world observation from my family. :)
 

Sansal

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LILYLARUE

Boxer Insane
On a side note: If anyone is interested, the study in Yellowstone with the various pack studies are on this site

Wolf Role Play Wiki

Cool thing is that you can "adopt" and name a new member of the pack and follow the daily studies of each wolf within the pack. It's very interesting to say the least!

They also have an extensive info section on the dynamics of wolf roles in a pack. Some packs don't even have a current male, let alone an alpha male. Some packs are all related females with one alpha. Very interesting to see an actual scientific study of wolves in a natural setting and how the packs are established, maintained and how they shift when one chooses to move down the ranks.

I suggest some reading to some posters here on the difference of wild packs and domesticated packs. They are very different. Wild packs are typically related, one alpha male, one alpha female and several other members filling minor rolls (and obviously one species/breed). In a domesticated pack, many top behaviorists disagree that humans are part of the "dog pack". Dog's know we aren't their species. LOL So to change the perception of what a "pack leader" truly is, we must seperate ourselves from the "pack" and be an assertive referee!

I know I find my dogs testing each other when I slip in my assertive role within the household. I also see the lax in their response to commands. So, for this reason, I try to always maintain the dynamics by standing firm and assertive. Not so easy when I'm a busy person, but within a day, all is back to normal and every dog back in their position.
 

TwoDogs

Boxer Insane
Alright people, let's put the wolf pack studies aside. Besides the fact that the validity of most of the studies is currently up for debate, most ethologists will agree that dogs are very different than wolves and certainly the environmental and social setting dogs live in is greatly different than that of wolves and results in behavior in dogs that is different than wolves. Think about it--through domestication and breeding we've altered the physical and social development of dogs. We've artificially increased and/or decreased many of what were natural canine instincts. We have changed how, why, and with which of their species they reproduce and created an environment whereby they don't even rear their offspring as a wild canind does. Lastly, by bringing them into our homes and caring for them, we've altered and/or eliminated any natural competition for resources which is the very thing that wild canids structure their social heirarchies around. Accurate comparison studies of wolf behavior vs. dog behavior are extremely enlightening. If they tell us one thing, its that dogs and wolves are very different animals and there is still alot about both that we don't know.

Considering the verdict is still out in the wolf vs. dog debate among ecologists, biologists, and ethologists, it doesn't make much sense for a bunch of Average Joes like us to get our panties in a bunch arguing the point on an internet forum. Nor is it productive to berate other posters posts or experiences. Just politely offer a counter-point or your opinion and move on.

As for the "2 females" debate. In my experience (BTW, I'm a certified dog trainer, and have competed for years in dog sports) I have seen a greater incidence of aggression between females living in the same household. The number is not huge but it is greater than other sex pairings. The incidence of it occuring depends on a number of factors including but not limited to: difference in the age of the dogs, age at which the dogs entered the home, breeds of the dogs, reproductive status of the dogs, amount of time the dogs interact with each other unsupervised, the degree to which each dog guards resources, the manner in which resources are managed by the owner.

I will restate my observation that most of the dog people I know have choosen not to keep multiple females in the same household. It is not because they are concerned that it will automatically result in a vicious bloodbath. It's because they have heard of it happening often enough and they are too busy having fun with their dogs to want to have to deal with it should it happen to them. So if a bunch of people who are experienced and have the skill to deal with the situation would rather not, then maybe the Average Joes out there might want take that into consideration before they put themselves in that situation.

Now, as for the OP, she's already got 2 females so let's return this thread to it's original question. What can she do now to limit the chances that any aggression will develop between her two females?
 

MyaandLaney

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thank you

Thanks to all for the responses, even though i don't see a reason to get all riled up over it.

I AM aware that this is not the best option. I got my 2-1/2 year old fem fawn boxer from a kill shelter when she was 2 months old. She was spayed at 6 weeks they tell me. She is as sweet and submissive as it gets. She has never had any food or toy aggression or guarding which is a good sign.

My new pup is almost 5 months, fawn female as well. i got her from a kill shelter at 4 months. She is very happy go lucky as most puppies are so its hard to tell what her adult temperament may be. She was spayed at 3 months

For now i just keep their food dishes in seperate areas, exercise them regularly, and they are always supervised when together, and it will always stay that way. I am very firm in their training and raising. they both respect and listen to me. This is all i am aware to do for now.

Again i am aware that it is not the best pairing, but they are both sweet and were in kill shelters (Laney was already on muscle relaxers when i arrived so they could put her down, it was a horrible place, these people should be in prison) so it wasn't like i had the benefit or luxury of a pick and choose.

They are both very sweet and great dogs and from what i hear it is in a minority of the cases that they fight, but it is not rare. That is all the info i have to give for my situation so i was just in search of any further advice.

thanks
Adam
 

LILYLARUE

Boxer Insane
I give you props for rescuing. It is very hard to say no when they are looking at you. LOL It's how my second rescue came to me. He was slated for that afternoon and I just couldn't see him be put down.

I think you have your head on straight and give you credit for thinking ahead. Keep up with the seperate feedings and treating. I personally wouldn't let them together if I was not home to supervise.

I am sending positive vibes that they stay besties and no troubles begin. I would love to only hear of a happy ending for both these lucky girls. Thanks again for saving them!
 

DebbieJen

Completely Boxer Crazy
I want to say thank you also for rescuing these pups. I hate the thought of any dog being put to sleep because they could not find someone to take them.
 

MyaandLaney

Boxer Pal
thank you

thank you for the support. i have no doubt we will make it work. they mind us well and with the knowledge from everyone on our side from such an early stage we will work hard on preventative measures.

and fyi if it ever does come to the day where for any random reason they cannot get along i have a close family friend who had their dog pass away recently and i have no doubt would be more than willing to adopt the younger girl at a moments notice.
 
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