$1000 for the "rare" white boxer puppy?!?

[Julie Davis]

IMO if a white puppy is healthy, I see no reason for charging a couple of hundred for him. The breeder has spent just as much in docking the tail, getting the shots, feeding him. etc. as the rest of the litter. Maybe I'm wrong in thinking that way, but i think the breeder should be compensated on what he has spent, plus a little profit for his trouble.

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Boomer, flashy fawn, 2/19/00, natural ears, docked tail, heart of gold
Brandy, yellow/white Beagle 1/00
Baxter, grey tabby, 3/96
Casey, Sue, Pierre, Mitzi, Tinker, Tanya, and Tessa waiting at the bridge, and always in my heart

 

[ninersneal]

No offense, but I feel reputable breeders don't get "a little profit for their trouble." The whole point of breeding is to ensure the quality of the line. I recently visited a board where people were advertising boxers for sale. I was totally appalled by the way these people were advertising and breeding. No papers, no health checks or guarantees, multiple breeds being sold, etc. Yes, White boxers are wonderful pets but prone to health problems Those people were out to con someone for a profit, without regard to the breed.
BTW, I couldn't find the posting, wanted to give them a piece of my mind as well.

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Rambo- beagle mix waiting at the bridge 12/85-1/2000
Roxanne- beautiful brindle born 12-99

 

[Tina-SCBR-NY]

If I was you I wouldn't have worried about sparing their feelings. It is up to us to educate the uneducated. How else is the word to get around better than by someone who has been "taken to the cleaners"

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Proud momma of 3 boxer babies and 1 foster:
Dallas, F, Brindle 3/21/95
Dakota, M, Fawn 7/10/99
Missy, F, Brindle 8/7/99
And 1 Second Chance Foster dog
www.secondchanceboxer.com
American Boxer Rescue Association Affiliate
http://hometown.aol.com/scbrboxers/myhomepage/pet.html

 

[LPratt]

In response to Michael's post, firstly these 'breeders' mislead their customers with untruths and half-truths ("rare" white boxer?)and because they are marketed and sold as a rare commodity the truth about how white boxers should be taken care of (out of the sun), what to look for (higher incidences of deafness) are not addressed....these people charge more not because they care so much about that puppy and it getting a good home, more so because they can squeeze more money out of people by creating a false reality.

I agree with you that "discriminating" against a dog due to color is ridiculous, but deceiving people for monetary gain in WRONG.

The standards for the ethical practice of placing white puppies has been outlined by the ABC and AKC, it is fair, very humane and seems reasonable....whether it is right or not, white at this time is not considered part of the breed standard, and the public should not think that it is this rare and special prize for color sake...

In conclusion, time and time again I have seen beautiful Boxers who I am confident someone orginally spent a considerable amount to purchase, starving, gaunt, heartworm filled and lacking the fundamental care all living creatures should be afforded...I do not think the argument that paying more ensures better care.

That is my opinion. We are free to have differing views.

Leezah

 

[mango]

I was working for a pet store for a while and when I was there so was this little white boxer baby(mine now). The price tag on him was $1050, rare dog, right, anyways someone bought him at this price and returned him the next day. I guess a vet told them that white boxers were not rare and signed the puppy off as unfit for purchase. When the puppy came back the owner of the store did not want him, so I took my little baby home with me. I also know that his mother was a white boxer and it was from a breeder in Missori. I no longer work in the pet store and while I was there I gathered info and wrote a letter to the paper.

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Pogo white female 2yrs.
Max white male 5months
Sadie fawn pug 6yrs.

 

[Lisa M]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alisha Mobley:
It will be my responsability to spay/neuter a white, have hearing checked, eye sight check, and all the normals that will be done to the colored ones.
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Is it safe to spay or neuter an 8 week old pup? I assumed that one would do a spay/neuter contract and those expenses would be the burden of the owner. Also as far as hearing goes, you can tell if the puppy is deaf just from normal interaction can't you? Clapping behind its head, and judging response. I'm not a breeder, but I do have a white boxer and read that one could test for deafness in that manner as a buyer.

I think white boxers should be less because whiteness is a considered a boxer fault, Rick Tomita's book has photos of whites where below them the caption reads "White boxers are undesirable". I think they should not be sold for a profit for those reasons, you should be able to get your cost out of the dog, but I don't think that breeder's should expect to make a profit on whites. I think just finding a loving home with people who understand what a white boxer really is and being reimbursed for your expenses should be enough. I'm really glad that breeders are making an effort to place whites unlike times past when whites were put to sleep, though I'm sure some breeders still do this. I hope that fewer people will abuse this practice by breeding whites and charging absurd prices (as in $1000) for a dog that can't even be shown.

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mama to:
-Sumi, lab mix "pound puppy"
-Casper, white boxer rescued from the Dade County Animal shelter

[This message has been edited by Lisa M (edited 12-13-2000).]

 

[Clia's_Dad]

As the very proud new owner of a very rare white Boxer, I say caveat emptor! My little, well BIG sweet Daisy is white, and you can see "freckles" through her fur.

I knew going in that most breeders tell people to spay/neuter white boxers immediately. They also used to, and some probably still do, put deaf ones to sleep.

My Daisy girl is deaf, but it is not an impediment so far. Today is our fourth day with her, and the only problem is Clia, our #1 Boxer, is having a bit of trouble adjusting. Just like when you bring a new baby home, the older sibling has to work out their jealousy.

Bottom line, my sweet Daisy is a joy and so rare! We love her!

I know this is a little off subject, but I take every opportunity to tell people what a sweet girl Daisy is!


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Clia, Spayed Female Fawn
Born 9/21/1998;
Daisy, Deaf White Female, Born Jan 2000

 

[Alisha Mobley]

My fawn/brindle pups will be sold on spay/neuter contracts but I don't want to chance it with a white puppy. There are too many people that see these Boxers as money making opportunities and just because they convince me they will follow thru with the contract doesn't mean they will. White Boxers are not seen in my area and I would be afraid that if they didn't leave my home fixed then they may never be, just for the fact that they seem to be "rare" in our area. It is just as important to spay/neuter pet quality colored Boxers. Just because my colored pups will be sold with a spay/neuter contract doesn't mean they will be. I will keep in contact with the new owners and after the pups reach a year old I will be asking that they bring the dog back just long enough for me to have a thyroid test done. This will give them plenty of time to spay/neuter. They also will be sold with limited registrations. I'm trying to take every precaution I can afford but even with all this I still feel it's too big of a chance to take to allow a white puppy to go without me having it spay/neutered first.

Even though I will sell any healthy white pup at the same price as the others I will by far be selling this puppy at a profit. It would be impossible for me to profit from any puppy I sell. For the first few years all my pups will be sold as pets only. Even though a white can't be shown if healthy I feel it should be sold for the same price as any other pet quality Boxer pup because that's what it is.

I prefer to have hearing tests done rather than just clapping because I think clapping would allow you to know if the puppy is deaf but hard to tell if it is deaf in just one ear. I don't know how hearing tests are done in dogs but I would think they could determine if the dog is deaf in one ear or not. The same for the sight test.

I have heard spay/neuter can be done safely at 6 weeks. I want to wait a little longer and would rather wait until the other pups have already went to their new homes before doing this. I have never had a dog spay/neutered but have read they need to be kept quiet and not too much activity for the first day or so. With the rest of the litter still around this would be hard to do and since the puppies need to be kept together until they are 8-10 weeks I couldn't even consider it until the puppy is around this age. I also would want to keep it with me until it is completely healed and to insure nothing goes wrong.

When one of my pups go to a new home I want to be sure it is as healthy as possible. To determine this with a white puppy it will take much more time, effort, and money but I will know it's new owners are buying a healthy happy boxer (my #1 goal in breeding).

Alisha - Indiana

[This message has been edited by Alisha Mobley (edited 12-14-2000).]

 

[Lisa M]

Alisha, do you know that I noticed a lot of people on classified ads seems to be breeding whites or white males. I guess it is a good idea if more breeders can have them fixed before placement. Maybe the lower price of a white boxer is a double edged sword - more people who are scheeming to breed pet quality dogs for profit will make a purchase of a white boxer just due to the lower cost? It sounds like all of your babes are lucky to have you caring for them - I wish more breeders to such interest and placed limited registrations on pet quality dogs as well.



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mama to:
-Sumi, lab mix "pound puppy"
-Casper, white boxer rescued from the Dade County Animal shelter

 

[Alisha Mobley]

Thanks Lisa! You would not believe how nervous I am about this whole thing but at the same time I'm very excited. I'm trying to think of everything that could possibly happen so I can be prepared.

Alisha - Indiana