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Tyshart

Boxer Buddy
Tyson is 15 mos. old and we still can not leave him out of his cage when we are gone. We started when he was 7 mos. old. We would leave him out while we went to work. He was an angel for a month. Never chewed anything, occasionally there would be a small puddle. We were fine with this. Then he turned. Everyday there was two or three piles of poop and puddles of pee, he was getting into the garbage, anything that was bad. So we thought he's got to go back in the cage. He was in the cage until 10 mos. and we decided to try again. We started slow. For just a couple of hours. No problem. Then we started all day. He was great for just a week, and then he started all over again. He's on a free eating schedule normally, so I thought, well I'm not going to let him eat after 6 am. That didn't work. We tried putting him on a strict eating schedule, that didn't work. We have tried so many things and we had given up the idea that he would be allowed to be free while we are gone. So back in the cage he went. He's at the point that I left for 10 minutes to go to the store and came back to a pile of poop. He was outside for 45 minutes right before I left.

But this weekend, we went to visit my sister in North Carolina. They have a 4 month old mix and they love to play with each other. They've met several times before. But this weekend was the first time we left them alone together. I warned my sister that if we leave Tyson out his going to mess. She said don't worry about it. She thought the dogs would be better off playing together then seperating them. We were gone 8 hours the first day, not one mess. The second day we were gone 7 hours. No mess again. They both were great.

Now here's the question. Does this mean that Tyson is messing because of social anixety? Does he absolutely hate to be left alone? He has always known that he was doing wrong. When I would come home after work, when he'd mess he would cower from me and want outside immediately.

Hubby and I have been talking now about getting a friend for Tyson. Do you think this will be double trouble? That maybe now we'll have to boxers that make messes of our house while we gone. Or does it seem like the cure all?

Should we get a puppy or a dog that's already trained? Will Tyson hate having another dog in his house all the time? Bailey (my sisters dog) is the only dog that he's ever played with. But I don't want him to feel lonely.

If anyone can help, thanks.
 

Lael

Super Boxer
We started when he was 7 mos. old. We would leave him out while we went to work. He was an angel for a month. Never chewed anything, occasionally there would be a small puddle. We were fine with this. Then he turned.
This is exactly what happened to us at the same age. Our Basic Training Instructor told us that this is the 'adolescent' period for dogs. Often times puppies who had no problem suddenly become very destructive and seem to go "backwards" in their training. But it's just a stage, and with consistency during this time you can continue to reinforce all that they know. It's also important that you do crate them if they are destructive in order to keep them from hurting themselves.


Does this mean that Tyson is messing because of social anixety?
I'm not an expert, but I would say it is due to boredom. If Tyson is getting enough exercise, mental stimulation, and interaction with the two of you (and doesn't have separation anxiety), than I would say boredom. It may, however, be more complicated than that. If so, hopefully someone with expertise in this matter can better answer this question.

Again, I'm not an expert. These are just some of my thoughts having gone through a similar experience. As far as getting another ... I personally would hold off until you feel that Tyson can be 'free' in your home without messing if you want them to be able to roam the house. Otherwise, if it were me and I got another dog/puppy, I would crate them both.

Good luck! :)
 

BeckyNC

Boxer Insane
I have had a somewhat similar experience. The behaviorist I am working with has indicated that pottying in the house is a symptom of anxiety. My girl does it daily. I can't crate her b/c she drools all day and bends the wires with her mouth. We think she has separation anxiety, though it could just be general anxiety.

Are you opposed to crating him during the day? My preference would be to crate Tae, since she would stay out of trouble--occasionally she gets bored and chews on things (just occasionally, so we do not feel this is a sep anx behavior).

I don't have much advice to offer, though I have heard some dogs are helped by having a fur sibling, while with others it makes no difference. Perhaps your boy would be OK in the house with a companion?

Additional note: I think Catherine made some good points above. If your boy does OK in his crate, I wonder if that means he's just bored? I know some dogs with sep anx or anxiety, like mine, go nuts in their crates...
 

boxerpat

Super Boxer
Hi Tyshart, I am only posting this so you won't feel so bad about leaving your puppy in his crate while you are gone from home. Our Sophie was 2 in August and she is still not allowed to be out while we are gone from the house. We have 3 floors to our home and she loves to roam every one of them. Usually bringing something from 1 floor to another. She is the most inquisitive and nosiest dog we have ever had. (Never owning a boxer before) Nothing keeps her entertained for very long, therefore, her attention span is as long as my little finger. We don't use rawhide and she doesn't like rubber chewies. She has her own beds or throws to sleep or rest on while we are home along with her crate if she chooses. Which, by the way, seems to be her most fav spot. For our sanity and her safety, she is always crated while we are out of the home. I have left a recorder on to hear what she does while we are away and mostly I hear snores and dreamy puppy yips. No crying what-so-ever. I realize alot will not agree with this, but I know my spoiled baby and what she would do if I left her to freely roam the house. Patty and a very much loved Sophie PS, I do have to say I am retired so Sophies alone time is usually no more than 2 or 3 hours at the most. Hubby is in and out too.
 

Tyshart

Boxer Buddy
Tyson does fine in the cage. I just hate putting him in there. I feel horrible, and when it is time to go in, in the mornings, he climbs up on the couch in his favorite spot and gives me the worse sad eyes in the world. It breaks my heart, call me crazy. He will resist me a little when I go to put him in. It's not a struggle by far but he doesn't want to go in. Tyson does not hate his crate though. When we are eating he likes to take his bone in with him and chew on it, and he will be in the crate when its thunder storming. I don't know.
 

BooBoo & Riley

Completely Boxer Crazy
I think you are doing the right thing. I don't think you should think of it as he doesn't want to go into his crate, he is just associating the whole thing with you about to leave him by himself. But it's good for him and for you... and who knows, he'll grow up soon and you can try again.

Another thing is if you can give him a bathroom or a sectioned off kitchen that he can have more room to roam when he is older, it might make things better.
 

Lael

Super Boxer
Tyshart said:
I just hate putting him in there. I feel horrible
I can understand why you feel that way. But try to understand the crate itself is not a bad thing - dogs are den animals. And if Tyson is okay in his crate, then it is for his safety. Also, during this adolescent/destructive period, you don't want him to develop a bad habit of ruining things and messing in the house when he is bored - then you'll never be able to leave him alone.

Having said that, it is always and completely YOUR decision and you have to do what you're comfortable with. :) If you're not comfortable crating him then maybe start with some baby steps. After a long walk/play when Tyson is tired, leave him alone for 15-30min. If he does fine, after a couple times increase to 1 hour. If he still does fine after a couple times at an hour, move up to 2 hours... etc. etc. Set him up for success by making sure he's just gone to the bathroom and he's nice & tired from play. Maybe stuff a kong and leave it for him to work on too. You can eventually work up to 8 hours. It may take a long time & lots of work, but it will be worth it. :)


BooBoo & Riley said:
you can give him a bathroom or a sectioned off kitchen that he can have more room to roam when he is older
I agree. I think this is another good way to slowly give him more freedom as he continues to be successful being home alone for longer & longer periods.

Hope that helps. :)
 
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