Vet thinks puppy should be put down!! Help!!!

[Doja's Mommy]

Kimbacloud

I am wondering where you come from or how many boxers you have ever known? Boxers are aggressive and rambunctious and puppies that small bite EVERYTHING. Thats just part of having a boxer... I have scratches and bruises all the time from my baby. But I choose that because she doesn't have a brother or sister to rough house with. Thats just BOXERS. Your post worries me that you can comment in such a manner. I think maybe you should do some more research before commenting in such a way.

 

[Shanz]

"something in their eyes" im sorry.. but thats bull have you ever heard puppies play with their litter mates? They bite growl jump bark run lick..its a puppy for crying out loud

 

[KimbaCloud]

Do you know personally who bred this dog and know what the parents of the puppy were like. I will say this again Playing and Aggression are very separate things. And should not be misconstrued. My Boxers hip checks me, jumps on me, mouths my sleeve as I'm walking through the house, jumps on my shoulders when I'm on the couch, bites my heals, but no where in those setting is there aggression. You unfortunately missed my point. You have fortunately never seen a disturbed dog before, Well I have and it is not a comfortable sight. If you read the entire story you would have read that TWO Vets said the same thing. What you described was playing with your Boxer, yes very good. But as for the story that was a disturbing story. And can you be any more rude this is a forum for story's, discussions, comments, agreements and disagreements. "Where I came from...." how dare you. Any where you read about the temperment of a Boxer you will NOT see the word "aggressive" written as a temperament description. Boxers are not malicious dogs by nature, unless breed to do so or un properly breed as well. They are Joyous, Energenic, Playful and Extra Loving Dogs.

 

[Vela]

Well we also need to keep in mind that the vets that saw the puppy may not have known much about boxers in general, which is often the case. We also have to realize that the person who has the problem, the puppy owner, may not really recognize how a boxer puppy should act (or any puppy for that matter since they have never had a puppy). It is often quite different than a lot of people expect and don't realize it is play. Without knowing the people or the puppy directly none of us can really make any assumptions. It sounds like normal puppy behavior for a boxer and for those unfamiliar with one it could seem like aggression. I hace seen lots of people post similar things because they thought the puppy was aggressive when in reality it was just being a boxer puppy. I have seen problem older dogs but I don't think you can really judge a puppy at 9 weeks as aggressive without first taking in all of the facts. The puppy may be headstrong but it's very doubtful it's aggression at such an early age. The puppy just needs to learn its place in the pack. This is USUALLY the case. Vets don't know everything, trainers don't know everything and certainly we don't know everything. It is certainly possible that the puppy does have a bad nature, but I really think that is hard to judge by only 9 weeks of age for a certainty. We should try not to get upset with each other over things we just don't know as it only harbors bad feelings unnecessarily. This is an older post and hopefully everything worked out.

 

[Doja's Mommy]

Kimbacloud.....

I will say it again, where in the heck do you come from.......? How dare me, how dare you , make such an awful accusations of a boxer baby..... I think your thinking of aggression as always having to be a negative hurtful thing... I would think you would know, since you own a boxer, aggression can change depending on the type of situation the puppy might be in at that time. Your making some awful accusations about this boxer baby whom is only 9 weeks old. If you think this is ample time to train and correct the 'puppy' behavior, again, I really question your posts. I'm sorry that you have been unfortunate to cross paths with a disturbed dog, however, no where in what was stated about this puppy, did I, nor many people who have responded, feel that this is a disturbed puppy. Maybe you want to re-read the entire chain. And to be quite honest, I could care less what two vets say. I can tell you that I feel confident with 'most' of the opinions of BW people as they are the ones who live and care for these dogs daily and would know of appropriate puppy play. Not the vet. Obviously those vets are not breed familiar. I really suggest some research be done prior to making these awful statements. I apologize if you feel that you don't agree with my statements. And your probably right, I did miss your point. I read it three more times, and I still don't see your point. Maybe you'll want to clarify. and your "something in they're eyes statement" I guess you can tell everything about a puppy by they're eyes, huh?

 

[Doja's Mommy]

Vela

I definately agree with you. I would just hate for someone out there, desperate for answers and advice to see that post. Its just not right. Can give someone the wrong idea.

Also, we are arguing about the meaning of 'aggression' which is a mute point..... I went back to reread the original post, and it seems as if that 'aggression' is only a small part of the behavior the puppy is exhibiting.

And your also correct Vela, I should not be letting that post upset me, as you are true when you say that it will only harbour unnecesary feelings. When ulitmately, the puppy is what we all care about. I apologize if I seemed a bit harsh..... I was just pretty appalled at what I read. Sorry

Hopefully someone will update this post as I really would like to know how it all turned out.

 

[Vela]

Doja's mommy

I totally agree with you. I feel the same way as far as the owner of the puppy was expecting WAY too much from a baby WAY too fast. I think the puppy was probably just fine and you can see from my first repsonse to this original post I was upset by it. I think for anyone to make assumtions about a baby is rediculous, that's like looking at a human infant and saying it's going to grow up and do horrible things because it had that "look in it's eye". Temperament testing I beleive can only be carried out by people who know what they are doing and specialize in it and only when the dog is older. I don't think the majority of vets are qualified to do that but that's just my opinion. I also understand why you were upset by the post, I also don't agree with it. I just don't want to see it turn into a post war and people end up getting banned. It is sometimes hard not to say "what are you thinking!!" when we feel that way, for all of us. Most everyone here has done it at least once=) I hope the best for the puppy and hope everything worked out. I was sad to see no followup.

 

[Doja's Mommy]

Vela

Again, I am truly sorry if I offended kimbacloud...... I didn't realize that what I said was something that I could not express. I definately do not want some post war as that is not my intention. Is there any other sort 'unspoken' rules I need to know? I really value this website and the people who take time to be members.

 

[KimbaCloud]

Doja's mommy, Listen no hard feeling but by reading your post you were attacking me for my right to express. You should not say to someone "Where did you come from" I can say the same about you but I did not do as such. And not one of us would know the true story by reading a thread. I am just stating the flip side to a dog that Might have aggression. It can be a really dangerous situation. That is all. Again sorry for your worry, but I assure you that I had the best intentions in mind to a problem that needed another view.

 

[Vela]

Doja's mommy,

It's not really an unspoken rule it just usually seems that post like this escalate on both sides, because easch person feels in the right, which is perfetly understandable. In the rules it states about personal attacks not being allowed and those who participate will be banned and while this really hadn't escalated that far it easily can when feelings get hurt or people read things into what is typed more than there is. It's very easy to get upset sometimes with some of the things posted, I do it all the time. For me I find what works is to come back and answer it later, most of the time, if I really feel like I want to say something. Usually the first thoughts in my head aren't very nice and boxerworld is too great a reasource to miss out on over one hotheaded (for myself) post. =)