Very strange behavior: depression?

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ShepNBoxinCA

Boxer Pal
Some history first...I have an 18 mo. old boxer female. We got her when she was 12 weeks old from a local family, not a breeder. For whatever reason, she has never grown larger than about a 6 mo. old puppy but she has a clean bill of health. We've had issues with her in the past such as peeing out of fear, happiness, exitedness, whatever. That's better now but not gone. She licks like there's no tomorrow and she is also incredibly submissive. She cowers, crawls and rolls over almost every time she is called, is told to do something, like "sit" or "down". We are a happy family with 2 kids (ages 8 and 13) and love our pets so I don't know why she's like this. We also have a German Shepherd female we got at the same time we got the boxer and she was 8 weeks old, now 17 mo. She's perfect in every way...good with our kids, obedient etc.

Lately we've noticed a change in the boxer that is a little disturbing. She hides under our bed and refuses to come out, even when treats are handed out. When she won't come when called and we go get her, we literally have to drag her, she won't get up and walk. Her cute little nub of a tail stays tucked and most of the time anymore won't play. She seems fearful of our Shepherd for some reason, although they are inseparable. There has been no death of a close family member (unless you count the disappearance of a couple cats that they were never in contact with in the house). There has been no change in our daily routine. I just can't figure it out. She eats fair enough and drinks a normal amount of water. She does get excited when she hears the car keys but that's about it.

Any suggestions for helping her? I know a vet visit is probably in order to rule out physical issues. Thanks!
 

kayboxer

Boxer Insane
Is your boxer and shepherd left alone together at times? Maybe something is going on between them when no one is around. They are both female, which can be a big problem when it comes to dominence issues. Even if your boxer is very submissive, maybe the shepherd is being aggressive towards her when no one is around.
I'm your sure kids are wonderful, but maybe one of their friends has been a bit mean or aggressive towards her to make her fearful of people, or a neighbor or someone else?
I don't know if that is the case, but those are the first two thoughts that popped into my mind. I hope you can get it figured out. It doesn't sounds like she is a very happy camper right now.
 

ELubas

Boxer Insane
Is your boxer and shepherd left alone together at times? Maybe something is going on between them when no one is around. They are both female, which can be a big problem when it comes to dominence issues. Even if your boxer is very submissive, maybe the shepherd is being aggressive towards her when no one is around.
I It doesn't sounds like she is a very happy camper right now.

I thought the same thing. Assuming you get a clean bill of health from the vet (and yes I would get her in ) it could be your Shepard is bullying her-just dog stuff but not much fun for your boxer and you can't be too careful with two females....
 

ShepNBoxinCA

Boxer Pal
They are left alone together during the day. We have seen some dominance by our shepherd but it's always just been the typical "I'm boss and you're not" behavior. Nothing abnormal for dogs. I should find a way to record them or sneak in on them somehow during the day to see what they're up to. Our shepherd has never hurt her, in fact, she's quite protective of her. Okay then, if that DOES turn out to be the case, any thoughts on correcting the issue?

I know friends are not an issue. No opportunity has presented itself for their interaction with our dogs.

Thanks for your thoughts.
 

kayboxer

Boxer Insane
Yes, do not leave them alone together if possible. Just because she is protective of her doesn't mean she doesn't show aggressive towards her while you are not there. It sounds as though your boxer is very submissive, so this may be affecting her more than it would other boxers. It is hard to correct something if you are not there to correct it, so I would not leave them alone together, but that is just my opinion. Two females in the same house can lead to horrendous fights, and if you aren't there to see or stop it, one of them (sounds like probably the boxer) is going to get hurt.
 

ChristyA

Super Boxer
Yes, do not leave them alone together if possible. Just because she is protective of her doesn't mean she doesn't show aggressive towards her while you are not there. It sounds as though your boxer is very submissive, so this may be affecting her more than it would other boxers. It is hard to correct something if you are not there to correct it, so I would not leave them alone together, but that is just my opinion. Two females in the same house can lead to horrendous fights, and if you aren't there to see or stop it, one of them (sounds like probably the boxer) is going to get hurt.

I would agree. I would just go ahead and keep them seperated from now on and see if there is a change in your boxer. Living in fear is no way to live and will probably she will probably end up having some physical problem as a result.
Christy
Dexter & Sophie both 9 1/2, both boxers
 

ChristyA

Super Boxer
http://www.boxerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130965

Hopefully this link will show. It is from Choosing a Puppy in answer to a question posted by minchin on 2-19-08

"Good Because a dog would most likely be the best match with a bitch.

In terms of most successful combinations, dog-bitch is usually the best, followed by dog-dog, with bitch-bitch being least likely to work out. Obviously, individual personalities are a factor here too and the above is a generalisation. But even so, opposite sexes is still the combination most likely to make a harmonious household."
The above answer was posted by GMACLEOD
 

ShepNBoxinCA

Boxer Pal
Thanks everyone. I'll see if we can't find a way to separate them during the day. I don't like seeing our boxer baby this way.
 

sargejimenez

Super Boxer
Shepards

http://www.boxerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130965

Hopefully this link will show. It is from Choosing a Puppy in answer to a question posted by minchin on 2-19-08

"Good Because a dog would most likely be the best match with a bitch.

In terms of most successful combinations, dog-bitch is usually the best, followed by dog-dog, with bitch-bitch being least likely to work out. Obviously, individual personalities are a factor here too and the above is a generalisation. But even so, opposite sexes is still the combination most likely to make a harmonious household."
The above answer was posted by GMACLEOD

Shepards are very dominate! I would say while your gone there is a problem between the dogs they need to be sepparated when you are not home! Because when you are gone I can say that the shepard is the queen bitch! Sadly to say this will not change and you might want to concider find one of them a new loving home.
 

HurricaneBox

Boxer Insane
Sadly to say this will not change and you might want to concider find one of them a new loving home.

I have to disagree! They may have their issues, but as long as ShepNBoxinCA is willing to put in a little extra effort (like keeping them separated when left alone) and training, there is no good reason these two cannot coexist. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that one of them has to go, just yet. ;) While they may be having bitch/bitch dominance issues, all it requires is some vigilance on their humans' part. Unless it escalates to the point that injuries are occuring or they become a danger to themselves or people, why rehome?

Much better that people who know and love them, work with them to get past or at least control this behavior, than to rehome and risk the endless chain of being bounced from home to home when owners discover the dog they have is agressive toward other females.

Rehoming would not solve anything at all. It would just make it someone else's problem. It sounds like ShepNBoxinCA loves both the GSD and the boxer, and is willing to work with them. If only more pet parents were like that!!!

Good luck, ShepNBoxinCA, and don't hesitate to the help of a behaviorist if separating the two doesn't seem to help your boxer and physical problems are ruled out by your vet. They may be able to suggest something that no one has thought of to help your boxer! :)
 
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