Rocky's-Mom
Super Boxer
I am so glad Yuki is doing fine. Where would you find the article here about Ace? I would like to learn more myself....thanks
they used ace!!!
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dharmadoodle
Boxer Pal
What a nightmare! Poor Baby. How could they not call you!! 
It's good that you're leaving there, & it is good that you are going back to educate them, so it doesn't happen to another Boxer.
When I had Rogue spayed I printed the ACE info from here & took it in before, & on the day on the op. I had them write it on her file, & asked more than once if it was on her file. I had a bit of confusion, coz here they call it ACP.
It's good that you're leaving there, & it is good that you are going back to educate them, so it doesn't happen to another Boxer.
When I had Rogue spayed I printed the ACE info from here & took it in before, & on the day on the op. I had them write it on her file, & asked more than once if it was on her file. I had a bit of confusion, coz here they call it ACP.
Pip-n-Dur
Boxer Buddy
It says it in all vet medical books, here is a copy and paste from http://www.vetinfo.com/dencyclopedia/deace.html
I had my vet look it up in her medical dictionary and it was right there in simular context. Hope this helps
Becky
Encyclopedia of Canine Veterinary Medical Information
Acepromazine
Acepromazine is one of the most commonly used tranquilizers in veterinary medicine. It is a phenothiazine compound. Its mode of action is only partially understood but it involves blockage of dopamine nerve receptors in the brain. It causes tranquilization and also has an anti-emetic effect. This makes it especially useful for treating car sickness, since that is often a combination of fear and motion sickness in dogs.
The recommended dosage for acepromazine is 0.25mg to 1mg per pound of body weight. In most cases it is not necessary to use the higher dosages. That is not true for use in trying to control fear based aggression. Acepromazine is considered to be very safe. The average toxic dose is significantly higher than the recommended dosage (at least 20 times the dose). Despite this, acepromazine does have some significant effects that must be considered. It can cause hypotension (lowering of blood pressure). This effect may be exaggerated in Boxers and there have been anecdotal reports of death of Boxers after the use of acepromazine. In addition, acepromazine seems to make it easier for dogs with seizure disorders to have a seizure. This medication should not be used near the time of dipping or treatment with organophosphates for flea control.
Acepromazine doesn't have any pain-killing effects. Many dogs seem to be able to will themselves to overcome its effects, at least temporarily. This makes it less than ideal as a drug for dealing with aggressive or fearful dogs but there have not been better alternatives for medicating prior to the visit. It works often enough that many vets will try this approach first. We do this when we think it has a chance of helping make an office visit go easier. We just remember to continue to be very careful when examining the dog.
I had my vet look it up in her medical dictionary and it was right there in simular context. Hope this helps
Becky
Encyclopedia of Canine Veterinary Medical Information
Acepromazine
Acepromazine is one of the most commonly used tranquilizers in veterinary medicine. It is a phenothiazine compound. Its mode of action is only partially understood but it involves blockage of dopamine nerve receptors in the brain. It causes tranquilization and also has an anti-emetic effect. This makes it especially useful for treating car sickness, since that is often a combination of fear and motion sickness in dogs.
The recommended dosage for acepromazine is 0.25mg to 1mg per pound of body weight. In most cases it is not necessary to use the higher dosages. That is not true for use in trying to control fear based aggression. Acepromazine is considered to be very safe. The average toxic dose is significantly higher than the recommended dosage (at least 20 times the dose). Despite this, acepromazine does have some significant effects that must be considered. It can cause hypotension (lowering of blood pressure). This effect may be exaggerated in Boxers and there have been anecdotal reports of death of Boxers after the use of acepromazine. In addition, acepromazine seems to make it easier for dogs with seizure disorders to have a seizure. This medication should not be used near the time of dipping or treatment with organophosphates for flea control.
Acepromazine doesn't have any pain-killing effects. Many dogs seem to be able to will themselves to overcome its effects, at least temporarily. This makes it less than ideal as a drug for dealing with aggressive or fearful dogs but there have not been better alternatives for medicating prior to the visit. It works often enough that many vets will try this approach first. We do this when we think it has a chance of helping make an office visit go easier. We just remember to continue to be very careful when examining the dog.
KonaMan
Boxer Pal
I am so glad that Yuki is okay!!!!!
I agree that you should send the vet some information regardless of whether or not you switch vets. Some dog owners are not so informed and you may be able to help other boxers in the future.
If it were me, I would look for a new vet. Kona just got neutured last week and the vet called me after the surgery to give me every detail of how it went and how he was doing. Shame on that vet for not keeping you informed. Although my vet was aware of the Ace problem with Boxers and they don't use Ace during surgery on any pets, they do sometimes give it out as a sedative to keep the dog calm after the surgery is over. Since Kona is only 8 months and a totally crazy ball of energy, I was worried they might give it to him at some point. I had the nurse write "NO ACE!!!" really big on his file and on the surgery orders for the operation. Just to be safe.
Anyway, that was just my experience but I would switch vets just for not calling me to tell me how the surgery went. Who needs the extra stress and worry.
I agree that you should send the vet some information regardless of whether or not you switch vets. Some dog owners are not so informed and you may be able to help other boxers in the future.
If it were me, I would look for a new vet. Kona just got neutured last week and the vet called me after the surgery to give me every detail of how it went and how he was doing. Shame on that vet for not keeping you informed. Although my vet was aware of the Ace problem with Boxers and they don't use Ace during surgery on any pets, they do sometimes give it out as a sedative to keep the dog calm after the surgery is over. Since Kona is only 8 months and a totally crazy ball of energy, I was worried they might give it to him at some point. I had the nurse write "NO ACE!!!" really big on his file and on the surgery orders for the operation. Just to be safe.
Anyway, that was just my experience but I would switch vets just for not calling me to tell me how the surgery went. Who needs the extra stress and worry.
coree
Boxer Booster
Thanks so much everyone for all the information I've printed some of it out and am bringing it to the vets and going to have my new vet put it in my file along with a big note that says NO ACE!
Yuki seems to be her normal self still. No lasting side effects from the ace thank god.
Yuki seems to be her normal self still. No lasting side effects from the ace thank god.
Luvnmyboxer
Boxer Insane
Glad to hear Yuki is doing better. Shame on the vet for not being up-to-date about her patients. I know there are tons of breeds of dogs out there and plenty of things to remember, but you can't just assume every patient is the same and use the same meds on them all. Hopefully your vet will read up on the ACE info you provide for her patients sake and for the sake of her own boxers.
When I brought up the no ACE topic to our vet's office girls they said they use it on all dogs, well obviously when I talked to the vet and demanded it never be used on my dog he said they dont do it on boxers an proceded to tell it basically like it was in the books. So glad to know he's up-to-date on those things since he is a boxer-friendly office with several boxer patients.
Be sure to pass the info on to your new vet and tell them the story of why you left your other one, then they will take note and hopefully not make the same mistake. Extra hugs to your Yuki for a speedy recovery!
When I brought up the no ACE topic to our vet's office girls they said they use it on all dogs, well obviously when I talked to the vet and demanded it never be used on my dog he said they dont do it on boxers an proceded to tell it basically like it was in the books. So glad to know he's up-to-date on those things since he is a boxer-friendly office with several boxer patients.
Be sure to pass the info on to your new vet and tell them the story of why you left your other one, then they will take note and hopefully not make the same mistake. Extra hugs to your Yuki for a speedy recovery!
vetstudent
Super Boxer
So glad that Yuki is okay. I agree with Becky. I work at a vet clinic and the warning about Boxers (and other 'smooshy faced' breeds) is clear in the veterinary drug books. If it were me I would go back to that clinic and make the vet pull out her drug reference book and read the ACE information out loud. That way you can tell them that if they are unsure when to use a drug or if it is safe then they should reference their drug book FIRST -- especially since this is their normal protocol for preanesthetics. They should definately know the risks associated with drugs that are used on a regular basis. Something similar happened to my parents recently. They took their boxer to the vet for a UTI. The vet prescribed Ditrim. My parents ask me if I'd heard about it and I said no. I looked it up when I went to work and it wasn't listed in the drug book so I ask my boss and did some research online. Turns out that it's an 'old school' sulfa drug that isn't used much anymore because it can cause thrombocytopenia and had lead to death in many dogs. I called my mom immediately and told her to stop the drugs and go tell the vet she wanted something different. When she told the vet what I told her and what the research showed, the vet said that she knew that and that it can cause death in 20% of dogs. I couldn't believe that she knew and didn't even take the time to inform my mom that it was a possible side effect!! Then on top of that they told my mom that they couldn't give her the money back on the pills even after she returned them. Needless to say they are finding another vet as well.
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