The biting is starting to worry me...

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maery

Boxer Buddy
New level of aggression at 6 months (male)

So glad to hear I'm not alone here. Elton has always associated biting and playing, but it's on and off. Well, 6 months old, and it's come back with a vengeance. Part of the problem is that he tended to respond solely to the male of the house, who is now deployed and I'm left with a puppy who ranks himself higher than me.

We've had a challenge reordering this for the past 2 months. We'd made some progress but 6 months old hit and it's like a monster was born. He is decently behaved 85% of the time. His daily exercise routine is active - averaging about 3-4 miles of walk/run combination a day (separated in morning/noon/after work), including one long uphill.

His become increasingly "vicious" in what I believe is still play in his mind - and its always on the leash! However, sometimes it seem like he may be truly trying to hurt me. Its a routine like OP offered. I believe it begins with his frustration of being on the leash. Once the frustration gets to him, he bites the leash. Distraction usually works best, or an occasionally successful drop it. If it doesn't work, the situation escalates into a small brawl ha. His other trick is to bite my ankle/shoe lace/shoe tongue. And when I go to harshly say No and Sit, it's like he's waiting for me to respond because he was really just instigating a fight (play?). So I say No and he starts jumping up and aggressively biting my hands/wrist pretty hard. When I try to grab his collar to force him into a sit, he's turning his head around the whole time to keep biting me, if he outforces me, he's even jumped up and bit my belly! Once I get him in a seeming calm, with a No, force sit, etc, as soon as I release to start the walk again he goes right back for my hand or ankle to start the whole process again. I have bruises and scratches all up my wrists and legs from these same leash encounters. I've tried the tricks I've read about - leash "corrections", firm NOs, positive reinforcement with treats and petting when he stops, etc. But it's to the point that he's hurting me and I'm not sure what I haven't tried yet or when I'm going wrong with the tips. Wait, this same level of viciousness is also present when he's fixated on something, like digging in th ecouch that I have to literally pull him out of with all my strength out of just for him to bite.

I'm sure a lot of this if not all has to do with how I"m responding...I just havne't found the magic bullet the books seem to have...all those only seem to rile my boxer up more to the point that he's hurting me while still "playing" in his mind.

Is this new extra aggression at 6 months possibly a neutering issue? I was planning on waiting a bit longer for that but perhaps this is the part of the problem?
 

Sansal

Boxer Insane
A puppy needs to be taught how to walk nicely on the leash.
I agree with BadAxe, the easy walk harness can be a good tool for training. I have also used the gentel leader head harness for a while, it gives you even more control. It takes a while for the dog to get used to it but it works very well.
http://www.boxerworld.com/forums/dog-training/12448-acclimating-your-dog-gentle-leader-long.html
mannetti: when you push him from the couch - that is only an invitation for rough play and won't work. 3.5 month is still young! I would continue with removing yourself or him from the situation and ignoring him. Have your tried giving him a stuffed and frozen Kong, a bullystick or one of those toys that can be filled with treats like the tug-a-jug? Tug-A-Jug Dog Toy
Those would keep him busy for a while. They don't replace consistent training but at least they give him some mental stimulation and keep could keep him occoupied for quiet a bit.
If you feel you are overwhelmed and not making progress at all maybe it would help you to work with a trainer/animal behaviorist. Have you taken him to any training classes at all? Please don't give up yet on your puppy.
 
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Caney Creek

Boxer Insane
When I say he is annoyed, it can stem from being on the leash, after quarantining him in a separate room for several minutes, or just about any time when telling him "No".

"Frustration" like that is pretty normal for some puppies (especially very active ones) or really dogs of ANY age that aren't getting enough exercise. It doesn't matter how much exercise you're aiming to get him, if he isn't actually getting it then it's not doing him any good.

I do my best to take him for at least an hour walk when I get home from work every day. I say "do my best" because 50% of the hour is consumed with battling him on the leash as he resembles a combination of a bucking bronco and alligator. On the weekends he goes to the park for a couple hours. On those days he comes home and passes out for hours. I don't think I should have to run my puppy into the ground to get him to behave...which actually isn't behaving, just sleeping.

A very good quote that I've seen used on this board many times: "a tired dog is a good dog." VERY true. Dogs NEED good exercise in order to be mentally stable and well-behaved, just the same as they NEED proper nutrition to achieve optimum health. You can't not provide him what he needs and then expect the outcome to be ideal. Boxers are a high energy breed, and that really is what we have to expect from them. Like I've said before, all puppies are different, and although we may have in the past had the luxury of raising an unusually lazy or exceptionally well-behaved pup, we cannot expect that it will always be so easy.

Puppies usually have SEVERAL periods of sleep and wake during the day, so if he is only getting one outing daily then that needs to be sufficient to wear him out for the next 24 hrs until that outing comes again. If you simply cannot spend that much time with him on a daily basis then I would highly recommend hiring a pet-sitter to come by during the day and give him a 2nd round of exercise.

Also, at 3.5 months old (probably until at least a year old) walks are NOT for exercise -- walks are for TRAINING. Puppies get the most out of their training sessions if they are well-exercised beforehand. Basically what you're doing now is taking a puppy with an entire day's worth of pent-up energy and trying to get him to focus on you and behave. No wonder you're BOTH frustrated! wackicon

For example, if I sit on the couch with a glass of water, he insists on trying to get up on the couch to mouth the glass. 99% of the time, pushing him away and telling him "no" results in heightening the behavior to the point where he starts nipping, or he will stand about 3 feet away and bark non-stop. When I get up from the couch to remove him, he takes off. Then he immediately returns to repeat the process all over.

What I'm getting from this is that he basically is getting out of any sort of repercussions because he runs away when you try to remove him. In his mind there is NOTHING negative that is happening here to keep him from continuing this behavior, so since nothing bad happens he keeps it up just hoping that MAYBE someday something good will come of it. :) Firstly, don't push him away when he tries to mouth the glass. It may seem like a negative thing to us but to him it's probably just a form of rough play, which is what he wants. Then when you "start to play" with him (push him down) and then sit back again to enjoy your drink, that is even MORE frustrating to him than just being ignored altogether. Instead of pushing him down, give him absolutely NO attention AT ALL. Do not touch him, do not look at him, do not speak a word, instead just stand up and if he continues, walk out of the room and shut the door behind you. Puppy-proof the room so that you can safely leave him alone for a few minutes, or start hanging out with him in an already puppy-proofed room so that you can practice this routine. If he runs off, NEVER chase him -- that is 100% a game to him Instead, walk slowly in the opposite direction when he does that.

Also make sure he has plenty of toys to play with and chew-toys and bones to keep him busy... but the first and foremost thing I think he needs is more exercise.

I know you've got a BAD case of puppy-regret right now but hang in there!! You will be rewarded with a wonderful companion for 10+ years if you can just survive the first 10 months!! We are here for you to offer our sympathy, advice and encouragement the whole way! grouphugicon
 

johann

Boxer Insane
A few more thoughts on biting the leash....

Get a chain leash (not collar). They sell them at most pet supply stores....he won't want to bite the chain and it can prevent the behavior from happening at all. You could also spray the leash with a bitter solution (bitter apple), but beware: it will end up on your hands and you'll get a horrible taste in your mouth.

Another thought is to practice with him on the leash in the house and any time he bites it or tries to bite you, say "boring" (or whatever you want) in a even tone of voice, drop the leash, and walk away (leaving pup behind). The same concept of walking away when they're biting you during play time.

Do you have a fenced area he can run around in? Or any baseball fields near you that he can play at? It's a lot easier to work on walking and leash manners with a tired puppy.
 

maery

Boxer Buddy
Another thought is to practice with him on the leash in the house and any time he bites it or tries to bite you, say "boring" (or whatever you want) in a even tone of voice, drop the leash, and walk away (leaving pup behind). The same concept of walking away when they're biting you during play time.

Do you have a fenced area he can run around in? Or any baseball fields near you that he can play at? It's a lot easier to work on walking and leash manners with a tired puppy.

Thanks for these pointers. I've noticed that with my 6 month old, the ignoring him biting me (which he's doing to start rough play - in his mind - vicious fight in mine!) works well, IF he stops within the first few seconds. I've become a big fan of distraction and ignoring, as corrective measures only rile him up and make it worse. I hope eventually he'll grow tired of not getting the attn and stop those behaviors. However, now that he's older, it's really starting to hurt to the point that I can't simply ignore it anymore even for a few seconds. My ankles are beat up! I have teeth marks in my ankle as if my ankle were a toy he shakes around like prey! So I'm not sure what to do in that situation - I don't want to escalate the "playfight" (b/c it hurts me) but the ignoring hurts me too if he bites harder to get the attn.

I might try the Take It, Thank You game a bit more and see if once he has the Thank You command down for "drop it", I could use that command for the ankle and leash biting. Ignoring unfortunately is becoming less physically possible as he gets stronger for me :( I am looking pretty beat up, my coworkers even said something to me.

I had been taking him to the dogpark several times a week but right now we're stuck with our 4 miles/day (total, at varying points) b/c he's had/has giardia. It's been this way for age 5-6 months. Worst months to have a cooped up boxer who can only exert energy on a walk with me! My state is pretty dog-unfriendly and the only legal off leash places are the few dogparks. We live in a townhouse complex with no yard and no fenced in areas. Still waiting on the results of our latest fecal re-test. Crossing my fingers because he's becoming quite unbearable without the dogpark and no yard! I'm exhausted without that outlet anymore but keep on keeping on...no one to share the duties with for the time being.

The chain leash is a new one that I'll keep in the back of my mind. Unfortunately, he licks bitter apple like it's frog poop (which he also loves yuck). I have the Easy Walk being shipped to the house now. Quick question though, can they run with me on an Easy Walk?

Yall are lifesavers. Even if it's just for the mental support to make it through each day while the better half is deployed and this sick and sometimes seemingly crazy pup gets the better of me.

Aloha, Mary
 
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