somethings not right ... i'm in tears

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Layla's Mom

Super Boxer
I don't remember exactly how long her gums were pale for but I know that she was extremely tired--which probably could be related to a slower heart rate. My vet always spends extra time checking Layla's heart just because of Boxers and Cardiomyopithy, so I'm sure your vet was being extra cautious. I think I actually did a search here on BW about heat exhaustion or googled heat exhaustion in dogs and Layla displayed the exact symptoms which put my mind at ease. Of course at the time that it happened, I had a house full of company for an outdoor BBQ and when I saw Layla collapse, I screamed bloody murder for my husband to come, ,as I immediately thought of heart failure!! Scared the daylights out of my guests, but pretty typical of a Boxer Mom, right??!!!

Keep us posted and postive vibes!
 

BABYGURL

Boxer Booster
Haley - I am sending you tons of big HUGS and Diva is sending lots of big kisses to Asia.
I will be thinking about you all day - please let us know what this vet says.
I am praying that everything is OK.
 

Linda/NJ

Boxer Insane
We are keeping are fingers & paws crossed here that all is ok with Asia. So scary when these things happen to our boxers. Sending lots of positive vibes to Asia~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 

1FlashyFan

Boxer Insane
Oh Haley, please know I'm thinking of you and Asia. Lots of healing vibes for Asia and positive thoughts for you and Mark.
 

Holden's Mom

Boxer Insane
I'm so sorry to hear about Asia. Having had three pets with heart problems. I know your fears. The Xrays will only show if the heart is enlarged and if there are fluids surrounding the heart and lungs. Other tests, such as an EKG, ultrasound or Holter Monitor would be able to show more. These should be done by a cardiologist if your vet really thinks it is heart related.

As for heat exhaustion, I simply don't know. I baby sat a friend's boxer Riggs, (see gallery) a few years ago and during play he did fall over. I was petrified, but a couple of minutes and some water, he managed to get up and walk. I immediately took him home, informed his people, and he checked out fine at the vet. It has not occurred since.

If it happens to be a heart problem, consider yourself lucky to know it exists, so you will be able to treat it. I lost one cat to hypertrohphic cardiomyopathy and the only symptom was sudden death. The autopsy revealed the enlarged heart.

Holden suffered from boxer cardiomyopathy and it was picked up at a regular vet appointment. His heart didn't sound right to the vet and testing was done by a cardiologist. He lived 2+ years after the diagnosis and led a normal life. H e was only 6 years when he left for the Bridge, but it was a funfilled 6 years. He never slowed down.

I'm hoping this was just a case of too much heat and too much play and Asia is back to her old ways in no time. If it is more serious, you at least know and can help prolong your baby's life.

Pam and Pete
 

sweetboxer

Banned
Poor Asia!

I am so sorry to hear about Asia. My baby Cadence did that one day during the summer last year and I thought she had a seizure. I called the vet right away, and they said not to worry, just give her water. I must also mention that I had given her ACE, per the vet, and I didn't know that could have a devastating effect on a boxer. Needless to say, I no longer use that vet. If this were related to cardiomyopathy, I would think her heart rate would be faster b/c the heart is pumping harder. Anyway, hang in there. I know firsthand how difficult it is to wait for results. I am sending lots of
(((((((((((((positive, healing vibes)))))))))))))) to you and Asia. Colby and Skye send her lots of wiggles, too!
Keep us posted.
Nicole, Colby, and Skye
with angel love from Cadence 9/25/03-5/24/05
 

Albie

Completely Boxer Crazy
Oh my gosh, how scary. Poor Asia. We are thinking of her and sending her positive healing vibes.

I have always been told that because boxers are known to have heart-related problems, most vets operate on the assumption that a fainting episode is heart-related. First off, take a deep breath and calm down. Try not to panic. Knowledge is power, and the vet should be gathering as much information as he can. You would rather he be looking at her heart, than brushing you off with some unfounded explanation and then have your baby go home and collapse. He should run an ECG, do a chest X-ray, urine tests, blood work, etc. to see if there is anything obvious. I have heard a slow heart rate can be caused by hypothyroidism, so I assume a blood test would rule that out. When my Lacy was a young dog, she fainted several times. We did much testing in the regular vet’s office and we were referred to a cardiologist for heart testing (echocardiogram and holter monitor). We were fortunate in that Lacy’s episodes were not heart related, but we never did find out what made her faint. It was scary for us to go through all of this, however, I appreciated the fact that the vet knew it could be her heart, and referred us to a cardiologist to rule out a heart problem.

If this vet feels that something is going on with Asia’s heart, please ask to be referred to a Board Certified Veterinary Cardiologist. Don’t even think twice about going to a cardiologist, just do it. When Lacy was going through all of her testing at the regular vets, the vet was concerned (and scared us) about the size of Lacy’s heart. The cardiologist took a look at the films, and had no problem with what she saw. These folks are the ones who truly know the heart, and how to treat heart conditions. A regular vet may have some basic knowledge of medications, etc. but you really want a specialist to assess the situation and handle health care if a problem is determined.

As a lot of you know, our puppy Belle had a very serious heart condition, so I know my experience with Belle influences how I handle situations now. I will probably always jump to the worst conclusion, and then be happy it’s not the worst. I don’t think I will ever take my dog’s health care for granted. I learned you must be proactive and research. In the past, I may have considered watching and waiting if something weird was going on with my dog, but not any more. If there is any possibility (even remote) that something is going on with my dog’s heart, I would skip the vet and go straight to a cardiologist. Heart conditions are serious and require immediate medical attention. This is what you have done, took Asia for immediate medical attention. Let’s pray they rule out a heart problem, but be glad you were there to see what happened and provide the medical care she may need if there is a problem.

Let us know when you hear anything more from the vet. We will keep Asia in our prayers.
 

Doja's Mommy

Boxer Insane
I definately agree with Albie. Though Doja does not have heart related issues..... hers are liver issues. I think its most important to realize our regular vets don't always have the answer. Don't wait for anything.... If you don't get an answer from the vet, go to a specialist. And it is so true that Knowledge is Power.... arm yourself with all the info you can possibly cram into your brain that might be related to what happened to Asia.
 

haleyandmark

Boxer Insane
horrible news

So, we just received the worst news ...

At 2.30 I had an appointment to speak with the vet and he said he is 85% sure that it is Dialated Cardiomypathy (spelled?). We saw the X Rays and they showed an enlarged heart.

I asked a million questions and he kept using the word 'IF' referring to DCM, so we are hanging on to that last thread of hope, but honestly I don't think it's worth anything.

Does anyone have any experiences with this disease? I was told that the prognosis is grim once they are officially diagnosed with this. What can I do?

Today I will make an appointment with this place in Dallas that is supposed to tell me for sure. I don't know how much it will cost, but I don't even care. Then, I will go back to our normal vet for medications and what not.

Anyway, thought I'd update. I'm in shock - I never thought Asia would get that. After reading a post here about someone's baby having a disease I would go and hug Asia and tell her how happy I am that she is healthy.

I'm so confused on what to do. I don't want to be going through this. She is only a year and a half old. Her 2nd birthday is in December. I'm not ready to let go of her ... :(
 

Clover's Mom

Super Boxer
Oh I'm so sorry! Clover and I send you lots of boxer kisses, and well wishes that the new place will have better news.

Give Asia a hug and a big kiss on her mushy face for me!
 
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