Seperation anxiety perhaps?????

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mzncrdble

Boxer Pal
We are crate training our 5 mo old pup. We received him about a week ago.
I am just wondering if anyone has a tip that could help us out. At night we have no problems....but during the day if I were to kennel him (so we could run to the stone!) When we get home he and the crate are in an awful mess. Bathroom is everywhere..
He is a very timid and shy...any ideas of what I can do??
 

ehayes21

Boxer Insane
What did you do to get him used to the crate and you leaving when you brought him home? Did you work with him at all?
 

mikroma

Boxer Buddy
interested in the reply

we too are having these issues with Nero. We got to a good spot with him and realized he has issues with my husband being gone (not me?) When my husband goes to the store he stares at the door and whines. Can't wait to see what the suggested fixes are!

~Susan
 

gmacleod

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How about working on some desensitisation exercises? Rather than just putting the dog in the crate and then leaving - insert some baby steps into that, so that the dog is relaxed and happy BEFORE he actually ever gets left. Dogs need to be trained to be in crates, after all ;)

The best way to go about it now would probably be to start crating him for short periods during the day, when you're home and there with him. The crate should be located, btw, wherever the centre of activity of your house is - NOT tucked away in the bedroom on his own (that's fine at night, no good for this training purpose though).

Start small - just pop him into his crate with a kong or something else interesting to chew on - whilst you're sitting there watching TV or something (crate being in same room). Don't make it any big event, just all nice and casual. After 10 minutes or so, open the door and resume your seat watching the TV, but don't pay any attention to the dog (especially if he comes bounding out). If it's possible, wait until he's not begging to come out to let him out (don't want him to think that crying or barking or being upset is what causes you to open the door).

You could do this several times a night, always with a nice reward and something interesting for the dog to do in his crate (that he doesn't get out of it), and always calmly and matter-of-fact. Same when he's released, it's just all casual, no big deal. And don't call him out if it ever happens that he prefers to stay in a few more minutes with that kong or bone or whatever he was given in there!

What you're trying to work toward is the dog being perfectly happy and relaxed about being in his crate - not just at household shutdown for night time. When is IS reasonably happy, then start doing normal stuff like getting up and making yourself a cup of coffee - which you'll then calmly bring back and resume your seat to enjoy. Then a bit later (enough time to be unrelated), the dog is released. And so on. Work your way up to this being a normal part of the daily routine. It never has to be long periods - but should be variable (5 min, 20, 5, 10 - whatever suits and leaves the dog guessing).

THEN, when that's all going well and the dog is content enough to give most of his attention to his bone rather than you/where you are/when you're going to open the door - go to the next step and leave the house. You need only go and sit outside the door for 5 min. Then return, and resume your seat as though nothing's happened. A bit later, release the dog. And then do it all again an hour later. And so on. Once again, work your way up in duration (and keep varying that duration - you mustn't be predictable).

When you reach the point that the dog isn't paying too much attention, then you've generally got a crate trained dog - and can have the freedom to do things like run errands or be gone a few hours without fear of causing the dog a heart attack over it ;)

Mikroma: Same suggestions in your case, though if his problem is primarily being separated from your husband, logically he is the one who's going to have to do most of the sitting outside the door being "gone".

As for how long all this takes - it really depends on the dog. Probably an average might be 2-3 weeks, but if the dog is really anxious, it might take a bit longer. Let his level of anxiety be your guide for how quickly you progress, as an anxious dog will take longer to cease paying attention.
 

mzncrdble

Boxer Pal
thank you

thank you for the great tips and ideas...Looks like we are already on the right page and have been doing things correctly. We will see how it goes in a few weeks :) No accidents in the crate since I last wrote. And if he whines to get our attention during crate time its usually to go to the bathroom ;)
I think new "parents" need some training too :)
Ezra is a GREAT puppy! I just needed to learn some of his "signs" of "I gotta go" ;)
 

mikroma

Boxer Buddy
Thanks!

We are going to try these techniques with Nero. I talked to my husband, and he says Daddy will do whatever it takes to make Nero comfortable in his crate!

Thanks, Susan
 

JayDub

Boxer Pal
This is great information gmacleod.

We just got our 6 month old this week and she's got TERRIBLE separation anxiety in the crate. Even at night. Unfortunately we've had to leave her in the crate during the day and I'm sure she goes nuts some. When we get back she's so excited she can't make it out the door without peeing.

We'll definitely be going about this in the way you described over the next few weeks so hopefully she'll be much more comfortable and not so excited to be let out.
 

CosmoH

Boxer Booster
Just wanted to say that we did basically what gmacleod posted here with Lance. He hated his crate at first, but thankfully didn't mess in it. But he would cry and howl and go on about it. We used a lot of positive reinforcement to get the crate to be a good place versus a place where he was separated. It took a while, but now he's perfectly fine with the crate. I think the breaking point was having the special treat he only gets in the crate (a stuffed kong). If he sees me start to prep a kong, he makes a B line for the crate because he knows crate=way cool kong.
 

mikroma

Boxer Buddy
Thanks!

Just a note to say it is working! My husband followed your suggestions and Nero has stopped the barking. We have are also 'draining' his energy with dog park visits. That has helped too.

Thanks so much for your suggestions!
 

mzncrdble

Boxer Pal
Ezra is liking his crate more every day :)

He just goes in their to hang out for a few here and there with the door open...
its cool!

Although we are going to have to work on the door closed during the day while we are here part...he isnt too excited about that ;)

But nighttimes are a breeze! (well unless he HAS to go out in the middle of the night...we are still trying to figure out the best feeding method with him. He came to us a free-feeder and the vet recommended two times a day...but im starting to wonder if he might need a third time...he is growing SO fast and seems hungry in the middle of the day....)

Thank you again for you info and encouragement! :)
 
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