Registered Name

[ckempf]

I have been blessed with a very special Boxer named Kobe. 9 weeks old and full of attitude.
My question is regarding name registration. We decided to find the best breeder we paid quite a bit more than local breeders were charging even for what they deemed "show quality." By the way, I don't care how plain Kobe may be, he is show quality in my book - I digress.
Kobe will not be shown and the breeder was nice enough to allow us to choose the name as long as we included the kennel name. My daughter took this job very seriously but the breeder just contacted me and said no dice. They are taking back the extended generosity and are naming him themselves. I asked whay the change of heart, but was told if we did not like it, return the dog. Even if the breeder was not across the country, I would never return Kobe. I just had a disappointed daughter and a frustrated wife and needed help explaining the situation, as I did not understand it myself.
I really don't care but I wanted to know if this is normal breeder behavior. I am new to breeders and AKC stuff and feel uneducated.
This is an amazing site with some really great people (and awesome Boxers). Thank you.

 

[JulieM]

Many breeders name their puppies (myself included) but it is not normal (and, IMO, in bad taste) to say the new owners can name it and then say they can't. Did the contract specify anything about the registered name? Did the breeder already turn the papers over to you, or does she still have them? Technically, the person who owns the puppy at the time of registration has the right to name it - I'm not sure how strict the AKC actually is on that rule, but if you have a contract that shows the date you took ownership of the puppy or (better) states you are able to name it, they may step in. In the grand scheme of things it's really not a huge deal - the call name is what is important to the dog and if you're not showing or breeding it's not going to affect your kennel or lines - but I'm sure it is a bit irritating!

 

[dog gone boxers]

Your pups name

I have to admit if your not showing or breeding the dog let it go.
This sort of sounds like a ego trip of sorts. Maybe something was said to the breeder that made them change there minds. I just can't imagine a breeder letting a show quality pup go to a pet home, regardless of markings. Did you lead them to believe that you would show the pup, & then state you wouldn't?
This is were it gets sticky.... Assuming the breeder still has the puppy papers when they register the dog I believe your stuck.
As per AKC if they have signed off your baby & the papers are in your hand, you are in controll & can name him what ever is your pleasure. Your paying the fee's puts you in the drivers seat as per AKC.
A word of caution... you maybe burning a bridge with your breeder,& that's not a good thing to do. You will need this person sooner than you think if health issues crop up, or trainning issues pop there head up with your baby. Try to be the bigger person here, (I know it's hard to do) Explain to your daughter that they changed there mind not you. Go forward. Not being someone that dual registers, ( CKC, UKC,) you might check into this & see if you can reg. with another name. Once agian I know nothing about the 2 mentioned.
Most breeders that want there name on the dog, would have allready sent them in and registered the pup with the name they wanted, & not left it to chance. Many a dog we've purchased with the worst of names, yuck, yuck ,yuck names. So we picked them out a short call name that we used all there lives.Ones name was Sir Rockey Winston Of Churchill. We called him church till he passed. He didn't mind.. Best of luck to you & the new baby.
Wells

 

[VTbxrFan]

Re: Your pups name

Originally posted by dog gone boxers
I just can't imagine a breeder letting a show quality pup go to a pet home, regardless of markings.

Wells -- But I'm curious why you feel this way. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it is difficult to know if a young pup is going to turn out to be show quality as an adult, right? I would think that you really have to judge a pup by the quality of his breeding -- most well-bred pups would have show "potential" wouldn't they? Good breeding and health testing are important to pet owners as well as those interested in showing. Where are we supposed to get our pet boxers if not from a good breeder? Should we just wait for the discards that grow up with some flaw that makes them unsuccessful in the show ring? It is not at all my intent to be argumentative -- I'm just interested and trying to educate myself on the different points of view out there!

Susan

 

[Nedra's_momma]

I agree with Susan. Reputable breeders let show quality pups go to pet homes all the time when there just aren't enough good show homes to go around. IMHO, it is much better to send a pup to an *excellent* pet home than it is to send a pup to a *below average* show home.

Just my 2 cents!

 

[PawPrintBoxers]

Re: Re: Your pups name

Originally posted by VTbxrFan


Wells -- But I'm curious why you feel this way. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it is difficult to know if a young pup is going to turn out to be show quality as an adult, right? Susan

To a degree, I agree. But a true show breeder has certain goals in mind. When they have spent years to finish that lovely Champion bitch, did all the health testing and have now whelped that litter: They have goals. You did not breed that litter to sell the pups as pets, you bred hoping some would have those outstanding qualities you saw in both your bitch and the sire of the litter. After all your hard work and years spent, you want that outstanding promising pup to be shown. Either you will show it yourself or entrust it to a home where it will be shown. If you are unsure of the quality because some things are not as solid in a particular pup, you find a quality pet home where either you can wait to see if they are show or they just remain a much loved family pet and are neutered/spayed. There are pet puppies in most "show" litters. The true show puppy is the oustanding creature strutting their stuff around your living room. They are not hard to spot
This is how I conduct my very few litters I have had.

Some breeders that do not show will call their pups "show quality" just to infer such a quality or to raise the price. They take any old flashy marked pup, call it "show marked" and sell to the highest bidder. In all honestly they would not know a show quality puppy if it peed on them. I get anguished phone calls all the time from people that have been taken advantage of in this fashion and it breaks my heart :(

So regardless of the quality of your pup, love them with all your heart. Only a small percentage are destined for the show ring and/or to be bred. Awards do not mean your pup is any less valuable to you for the Boxer they are

 

[Nedra's_momma]

Christina,
Don't get me wrong, you know exactly what you are doing (obviously, or you wouldn't be doing it LOL), but I was wondering if you could clear this up for me.

This is totally hypothetical, but for the sake of humoring myself I wanted to ask you what would happen in the case that you had three potential puppy buyers. Two were looking for a pet and one for something to show. You had a litter of four, one white (this one goes to one of the pet homes) and one flashy fawn and two other flashy fawns that were already placed in show homes. You have done all the interviewing and questioning and checked all the references and the pet quality home just seems better than the show home. The show home seems like it is a little shady for some reason, but you can't accurately put your finger on it.

In this scenario, do you think it would be better to place the show quality pup in the better pet home or the shady show home?

I understand that breeders have certain goals where their litters are concerned, if they don't, they shouldn't be breeding! But it would seem to me (go easy on the inexperienced one *G*) that it might be better to put those goals aside for this litter to get the best possible home for the pups?

I understand that you know what you are doing and I am not questioning that. I just was wondering, for the sake of learning something new. There are so many things regarding dogs that I have changed my mind about in the past year because I keep learning from wonderful people like yourself, and I was just wondering, so I had to ask.

 

[PawPrintBoxers]

Originally posted by Nedra's_momma

This is totally hypothetical, but for the sake of humoring myself I wanted to ask you what would happen in the case that you had three potential puppy buyers. Two were looking for a pet and one for something to show. You had a litter of four, one white (this one goes to one of the pet homes) and one flashy fawn and two other flashy fawns that were already placed in show homes. You have done all the interviewing and questioning and checked all the references and the pet quality home just seems better than the show home. The show home seems like it is a little shady for some reason, but you can't accurately put your finger on it.

In this scenario, do you think it would be better to place the show quality pup in the better pet home or the shady show home?

You did leave out another option: Keeping the puppy either for myself or simply hanging on to him until the right show home comes along. If my first intention is to show, and I am less than impressed with the show home, I am in no hurry and can hold on to that puppy.

But yes, if the only homes I had to pick for a questionable show and a loving Pet, of course I would go with the pet home. #1 objective is a good home, period You should see how I interview people...LOL.

 

[dog gone boxers]

FYI I replied to the first question via e-mail. I'm not in the habit of beating up breeders in open forums.
Second question from paw print.. You answered that yourself. Reading between the lines the pup most likely was never a show dog to begin with. & should have beed sold as a pet. Any breeder of merit in my book will hold on to that nice pup till the right home comes along. If they believe in there breeding program. Lets face it when you do it right no matter how much you sell the pup for it's not the money making venture people like to think it is. Let me rephrase my stand, & only my stand on this issue. After all none of us are the be all end all judge of others.
I & ONLY I WILL NEVER SELL A TRULY GOOD DOG TO A PET HOME... EVER I DON'T PUT MY HEART AND SOUL INTO DOING THIS RIGHT JUST TO HAVE MY KEEPERS ENDING UP YARD MUTTS. i'LL SHOW IT MYSELF, CO-OWN IT WITH SOMEONE TO HELP WITH THE FEE'S. oR DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO GET THAT PROMISING GET INTO THE RING. tHE BREEDERS i CALL MY MENTORS HAVE A WAITING LIST FOR QUALITY PUPPIES. & MOST SHOW HOMES, BEFORE THEY GIVE THAT GUARENTE WANT TO KEEP THE PUP A BIT LONGER TO CONTINUE THE ASSESMENT AS TO IT'S QUALITY & MERIT AGIANST THE BREED STANDARD.
Much has been written about how to pick a show pup out. For me i just know.. When I see balance & symetry in a pup a lovely head piece that never goes away,& that gosh just look at me personality, & see that my breeding did what I wanted it to do for the few keepers in every litter I'm prepaired to keep them all. After all isn't that thepurpose of the breeding? Show dogs? I never sell a puppy to someone the first time i meet them, I insist on meeting there kids. This tells me how much controll they will have over the dog in the end. The sport of pure bred dogs is all about sacrifices is it not? When you send that young dog off with a handler? Is that not a sacrifice? So much can go wrong, I will never personally rtake that chance and surrender a show quality dog to a pet home. I owe it to the bred, the dog, & myself to promote that breeding in the best way I can. As a gentleman I refuse to beat up another breeder for a puppy deal that I don't know but one side of the story. When a breeder tells the puppy client to just bring the dog back... That tells me a lot.Christina are you sorry you keep the dogs you have shown? Ever wish you had sold tham as pets instead? If my opinion offended I'm sorry it did, for that was not my intention.
If you all feel the need for a cause do something about the Breeders that never show there dogs... Bost there un dying love for rescue, but allways have a litter about just in case they can make a sale. Oh yes I've met them here...
Rescue is a wonderfull thing but it's shoved down people throats that are new to the bred. & the last thing they need is aadult dog with issues. Issues that need a person with some experience in the bred to deal with & attempt to work thru.
I hope this is the last I hear of this issue.

 

[Debbie Magon]

Dog Gone Boxers says and I quote:


[Any breeder of merit in my book will hold on to that nice pup till the right home comes along. If they believe in there breeding program.]


Well your one dam lucky breeder if you can afford financially, time wise and energy wise, to run extra boxers on!
I ask you though, in the interest of the young pup, what about missing that important bonding time that is absolutely crucial to the pup?

Next Quote:

I DON'T PUT MY HEART AND SOUL INTO DOING THIS RIGHT JUST TO HAVE MY KEEPERS ENDING UP YARD MUTTS.


I as a breeder also put my "Heart and soul" into my breeding programme, but most of my pups are pets. Loved , adored and spoilt rotten, but Oh so fabulous examples of our breed!

It gives me the greatest pleasure to see my beautifully bred boxers out and about in society. They are true ambassadors for the breed!

I ask you , exactly how does that equate with being termed "yard mutts?"
Quote 3:

[After all isn't that thepurpose of the breeding? Show dogs?]

I hope I never feel this way. I always thought it was to better the breed , improve on what you had ,try to produce the healthiest boxers possible, for the longest and best quality of life!

I always thought the showing of any dog or animal was simply a show case of a persons achievements or failures, goverened by politics and social status.

I bet if you asked a boxer his opinion he would say , let me swim , sun bathe , chase birds, run in the meadows and just be a DOG!

Oh and I do have" show dogs" who when at shows are probably thinking "Why are we here? I would much rather mum take us down to the river for a swim "