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Question on difference between Fawn & Flashy Fawn

Discussion in 'Canine genetics and heredity issues' started by TecShdw, May 17, 2006.

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  1. TecShdw

    TecShdw Boxer Booster

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    Just curious on exactly what characterizes the difference beteween a fawn and a flashy fawn...same with brindle. Would Sophie be considered a flashy fawn? Or classic...All boxers I've seen always have some white on them, that is why I ask.

    Thanks

    BTW, you can see Sophie in my gallery.
     
  2. Louise501

    Louise501 Boxer Insane

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    Sophie is a beautiful flashy fawn, same as my Angel. A classic fawn is where there is a black mask with no white, like Ruby :)
     
  3. TecShdw

    TecShdw Boxer Booster

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    Ah, I see now....So all of Sophie's brothers and sisters had full black masks, other than that they were exactly like her, but they would be considered classic whereas she has the white stripe she is flashy...I understand now, I didn't know if flashy meant more white than what she had or not...ha ha, she is pretty much on the border then :)

    Thanks!

    BTW all of your Boxers are absolutely beautiful, I have a feeling in a year I'll have another one, my wife absolutely loooooves Sophie, she joined boxerworld (It was hard to get her to join our family forum that I made..lol) and just keeps going on and on about getting another furbaby in about a year! My wife is really a sucker for white boxers, she absolutely loves Luka and those beautiful fawn patches around his eyes!
     
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    Louise501 Boxer Insane

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    I am not sure how much white determines the title 'flashy' as some boxers have more flash than others, but Sophie is definately flashy! ~

    Thanks, he does seem to attract all the attention with his soulful face! I was intending to have just the 2 but then Angel, Luka's sister unexpectedly became available and then there were 3! :)
     
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    Wow, you put it that way I suppose there is no question. It's flash either way! ha ha. Thanks guys for the information, I think I'll always be getting educated on the breeed!
     
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    My boy Dozer has a bit of white but I wouldn't consider him flashy he has a white chest and toes and a tiny bit on his mouth. Some use the term semi- flashy even though it's not a real term but that's basically what he is a semi-flahy fawn. My younger boy Diesel is a flashy brindle. He has white socks, white chest, white flash on his face, and a full white collar. You can check them out in my gallery. :)
     
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    gmacleod Elusive Moderator Staff Member

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    I would not be sure that Sophie is flashy (in fact, I'd suspect that she's classic).

    The difference between a flashy and classic dog is actually a matter of genetics. There is some basic information about that on our coat colour inheritance page at www.boxerworld.com/coat_colour

    In short though, boxers have two genes that are relevant here - S for solid coat colour (which never means completely solid colour) and an allele of s for white markings (actually the extreme white spotting allele sw). Every pup gets one of these genes from each parent. If the dog gets two copies of S, then it will be classic. If it gets one S and one sw, then it will be flashy. And if it gets two copies of sw, it will be white or nearly all white (better described as ultra flashy).

    In most cases, we can just look at the dog and tell what it's genetic makeup is. A classic boxer usually has white on the toes, chest, tip of tail, and possibly a little on the chin and face. Flashy usually has white feet (not just toes), perhaps some distance up the legs, white chest and belly, white on the face, and possibly a white collar also. Ultra-flashy, of course, is usually wholly or nearly wholly white.

    Sophie though might be classic, or she might be flashy (and I'd lean toward classic). She's what often is termed "semi-flashy". She has white toes only (suggests classic), white chest only (again, suggests classic) and non-extensive white on the face (could be flashy, might be classic - it is not clear which). In short, it is not obvious just by looking at her which set of genes she carries. Of course, there is no genetic "semi-flashy" category - the dog either carries the sw gene or it doesn't. But when you can't be sure just from looking, then semi-flashy is the obvious descriptor. The only way you'd ever know for sure (obviously not recommended) is by repeated breeding with males that are certainly classic.
     
  8. TecShdw

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    Yeah, breeding doesn't sound like the way to find out...lol. I can say that her parents were as follows. Her father was definitely Classic, her mother the same with jus a tiny bit of white on her nose (less than Sophie actually). All of the other pups in the litter were undoubtably Classic (1 of them had a really tiny bit of white on the nose), seems like that would mean the S gene. This is what I had thought originally because she had so little white on her. I know one thing, her and all of her littermates were just beautiful, and carbon copies of the parents!

    Here is a pic of all of the pups (minus 3 that weren't in the picture). Pay no attention to the date on the picture..it's obviously wrong (this is when they were around 5 weeks old. Maybe this can help determine if she is classic or semi-flashy, I'm more curious than anything, guess it's my nature :)

    http://www.themotens.com/files/allpups.JPG

    Thanks again everyone for all of the information. BTW, Henri is absolutely beautiful!
     
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    well all the babies are just adorable. but IMO I think sophie is a classic.:)
     
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    Wow, Sasha, Mattie, and Gracie look exactly like Sophie's mom did! They are very good looking boxers...and Sophies father was just straight up classic, no doubt about it. I'm leaning more towards classic also, especially with all of the information I've got from here! Actually I think her mom's name was Sasha if I remember correctly!
     
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