PLEASE HELP!!! 1yr old pooping/peeing in crate!! I have tried everything!

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ntutor

Boxer Pal
I am fighting a TREMENDOUSLY difficult battle with my boxer’s issue and I feel that I have tried everything, yet I remain completely unsuccessful. I am going to share my journey from the beginning in hopes of more accurately determining a solution to my problem. Please forgive me for the lengthy story, but I am desperate for answers.

I got Wallace at 10 weeks old. She is now 1 year, 3 months old, solid white, floppy ears, and is spayed. She learned very quickly during house training as a puppy, and still to this day WILL NOT mess in the house while I am at home. I started crate training her from day 1 and she adapted very well. As advised, I used a divider and gradually gave her space as she grew.

Throughout the first 4 months of her crate training, I worked very long (12 hour) days, yet I never had a problem (the first few weeks friends would help by letting her out at lunch). Even as a puppy, she was flawless at holding in her pee and poop. Around 5 or 6 months old, I got a new job that wasn’t as demanding of my time; and her shifts in the crate were reduced to a more traditional 9 to 5 (at the absolute most with many days being significantly shorter).

Then one day I came home and Wallace was covered head to toe in feces! I was speechless. This outrageous catastrophe continued on very inconsistently for months. For a while, it would happen a few days in a row, and then stop for a week. And then it would go on spurts 6, 7, or 8 days in a row. And then maybe even go a month straight without a problem!

At first she would just poop. Then she began to pee with the poop. And she would ALWAYS be covered in it! It was never just lying in the corner. Sometimes there would be feces on the top of her head and behind her ears, and always matted in her paws and on her “elbows and knees”. I bounced around many conclusions as to why she was doing it as I searched for advice from multiple vets, breeders, and boxer owners. But I never received any information that solved my problem.

My routine stays extremely consistent. She gets NO other food except her dog food, and cheese as a treat. At times I’m convinced it’s behavioral. And other times I’m convinced it’s a health issue. I stopped feeding her twice a day when it first started, hoping to help solve the problem. And still to this day I only feed her at night.

She began eating the poop (I think to get rid of what she knows is wrong and b/c she doesn’t like sitting in it) and that seemed to confuse people in giving advice. I’ve tried medicines in case it’s a sensitive GI tract. I am currently spending a fortune on the Hill’s Prescription Diet: Canine I/D. For a while it seemed to cure the problem. But eventually, she began pooping and peeing again.

Most of the time, she will do it within the first 20 minutes of me leaving. Then she howls as she detests sitting in what she’s done. This obviously seems behavioral. But a lot of the times, she’ll pass gas the day before and the day of poop disasters. Which makes me think it’s a health related issue. Yet she has been and sometimes is still able to hold it for extremely long periods of time in the crate without a mess; and to this day she hasn’t messed in the house once while I’m home (no matter how long)! But, this problem is significantly worse with over the counter dog foods. Purina brand foods yielded terrible results. IAMS worked amazing for a while, but then eventually failed. And now the ID seems to be the best option, yet it hasn’t solved the problem as it still allows her to make messes.

I finally lost my patience and basically gave up on the crate. I began leaving her in my bedroom on my bed with her toys while I was gone. For the first 3 weeks she was an angel! I thought I had found a creative solution to my seemingly never ending problem. But after the beginner’s luck wore off, it became a poop and pee discovery EVERY SINGLE DAY! Now when I come home, I always find pee spots and poop remnants on various areas of the carpet where she defecated, and then ate the evidence.

I know she has the ability to hold it. And I always have her poop and pee every morning before I leave and when I get home and another time when the day/night permits. She only eats at night. She has no worms and her fecals always come back negative. I feel so lost and hopeless. My bedroom is now ruined as it reeks disgustingly of urine and nasty odor; but I was just simply emotionally overwhelmed with the constant crate cleanings.

I am in love with Wallace and I am extremely passionate about boxers, but this ongoing issue is robbing me of the joy of owning this amazing breed. I am not as happy as I should be with her, and it is wearing me down. Plus, I am being drained financially from constantly having to purchase cleaning supplies, expensive brands of food, as well as pay for doctors’ visits and exams. I need help. I need answers and/or a solution. Anything anyone can do to help will be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

Nick
 

gmacleod

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What a situation :(

I have to say, on hearing your tale there, my thoughts turn to separation anxiety. That is actually a psychological disorder (not 'normal' stress or anxiety at being alone that some people label SA). It generally mainifests in adolescence/early adulthood (which is one reason it sounds rather like your case). Another typical symptom is that the dog usually urinates/defactes multiple times, rather than always in one spot.

That's just what it sounds like to me, of course. It doesn't make it fact. But perhaps something to consider further.

I wonder though - what is she like when you're home? Does she follow you around and always need to be in the same room? Or is she content to stay snoozing on the couch whilst you disappear elsewhere in the house? If she's your constant shadow and seems to get upset if she can't follow you about, it would tend to further the separation anxiety theory.

Anyway, if you think that this is a possibility for what's going on, you really need to get some help to deal with it. As already mentioned, SA isn't just a little bit of stress or anxiety. It is abnormal anxiety - an actual psychological disorder. And that requires quite a lot of work to overcome (though it can be done). I would strongly suggest getting in touch with a behavioural expert (not a trainer, but a behaviourist) who has some experience of SA to help you work through it - and help decide if this is really what's going on anyway. A very good book that can help (but not replace the professional help) is "I'll be Home Soon" by Patricia McConnell. Information about that one here: http://www.dogwise.com/ItemDetails.cfm?ID=dtb667
 

ntutor

Boxer Pal
Thanks

Thank you very much. I will definitely research those links and read that book.

Maybe a little bit when she was younger, she would follow me around; or at least be in an area with a clear view of me. But I just figured that was a puppy mentality. But she does always stay nestled on the couch when I'm moving around.

But, in case this is relevant, she is very fearful of certain things: cars, loud noises, delivery trucks, any type of maintenance man, windows being opened, blinds being opened, golf carts, brooms, latters, and really anything that's big or loud or odd that she isn't familiar with. But if its another animal of any kind or a new person or obviously a friend, then she is the most daring, energetic, and bold social butterfly you've ever met. She acts like a fearless warrior half of the time, and a sensitive coward the other half.

And just a random note to end this reply with a smile, for some reason the wind makes her loopy! When the wind blows much stronger than normal, she turns into a crazy dog like she's all pumped up on redbulls and she grabs sticks and runs around in circles! It's truly adorable and makes me laugh everytime.

Do her fears of particular things play a role in the SA?
 

Jan

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Do her fears of particular things play a role in the SA?

I would think so. It is probably another fear. The fear of being alone.

Try not to cater to her fears. Don't tell her that it is okay. It's not. Try and distract her when she is being fearful and reward for brave behavior.

Good luck!
 

EAO76

Boxer Insane
Fears and anxiety usually come from the same place so if she is that fearful then there is a good chance you are dealing with some sort of separation anxiety.

There are a few drugs that can help reduce anxiety (Prozac and Clomicalm are two) in dogs. Of course they should be used in conjunction with a behavioral modification program but if it is SA certain meds can help. There is no such thing as a miracle pill but I have heard of some pretty significant results from the use of these drugs when dealing with SA. They are usually used to reduce the dog’s level of anxiety so that the behavior modification program can be more effective. Many times the dog can be eventually weaned from the drugs and other dogs need to be on them for life.
 

rocko pop

Boxer Buddy
hows it going any luck yet

wanted to say hi and see how your baby is doing. i think i am having the same problem with my rocko.
 

Amee

Boxer Booster
The first thing I thought of when I was reading your post was separation anxiety. I also think fear and anxiety go together. I also agree with Jan don't cater to her fears, you can actually make her more fearful of things. I have watched a friend of mine create a very fearful dog by always rushing to the dog when a loud car goes by or fireworks go off. Good luck to you!!
 
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