need help with separation anxiety - recomendations for medications.

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aramis

Boxer Pal
I have a 5 1/2 year old boxer. I believe, after speaking with the vet, that he has separation anxiety which is getting worse. Would like advice on medications that others have tried because I am leary of giving him anything without hearing first hand advice.

some background. He nearly died when he was a puppy at a kennel because he refused to eat when we were on vacation. Stopped using kennels, in-home sitters work better. We moved 8 months ago, he has always had run of the house and seemed happier here with no problems except marking in the basement where previous owner's dog marked. 2 carpet cleanings and enzyme made that problem go away. Lost our in-home dogsitter so we had to kennel for 3 days a few months ago. He ate well but came home and started puking, peeing and pooping everywhere. Had to take him to the vet because he was horribly ill for about 3 days. No other dogs at the kennel were ill. She felt he had separation anxiety but I blew it off - over $200 worth of tests showed NO disease or problems. This has been getting progressively worse since he went in that kennel. Peed all over the dining room rug and chairs. Threw out the rug, cleaned all the chairs and thouroughly cleaned the wood floor. New rug lasted a few days and he peed all over it. Threw it out (good thing they were cheap rugs). It seems the more I do for him the worse he gets - I take him for more walks and give him more treats and he destructs more while we are gone. Have tried the kong but he doesn't take long to clean it out - HUGE TONGUE!!! He has always been "curious" getting whatever he can off of counters, out of the sink, opening cabinets while we are gone but this behavior is getting worse. Within 30 minutes he has destructed all kinds of stuff. I am tired of my house being a wreck! I put him in the crate - there is no other option, and yes we did try to do the procedure of acclimating him to the crate - he has always hated the crate and he vomits and drools in the crate, shaking uncontrolably as we start to put on coats. I hate the crate for 2 reasons - I want the dog to protect my house and he hates the crate, it seems so cruel and he never gets used to it. Tried when he was a puppy. He howls in the crate as well - so loudly you can hear it outside. I am to the point of wanting to try medication but I want advice from those who have tried it. Oh, and I have reviewed the whole list of stuff that you shouldn't do for anxiety ridden dogs - I am guilty of breaking all the rules but I can't make myself live by those rules. How the heck do you ignore a boxer for 15 minutes when you get home? I realize a great deal of these problems are my own fault but I think his anxiety has gotton a lot worse since our last kennel visit and since my son was born , he is totally attached to his "brother". My son loves this dog and they are best friends - I think he gets upset when my son isn't around.

My husband decided he would allow Aramis to be gated in our kitchen which is quite roomy - we returned within an hour and he destructed the screen door, tore off some of the wood trim and ate screen material. Blood everywhere and a very agitated dog. He wasn't hurt, just surface cut and with drool the blood appeared worse. We can't let him hurt himself so he is now in the cage every time we leave which I hate.

any suggestions would be greatly appreciated but I would like to especially know if medication has worked for you because I see his strength allowing him to get out of the cage soon, he is close!
 

jksjkc

Super Boxer
Wow, I don't have any suggestions, but we're sending hugs and support. There are good people here who can give you some advice based on their experiences.

Good luck.
 

OSCARS MUM

Boxer Buddy
hi there, im sorry i have no advice either, but i just feel so sorry for you and your boy, i tought my oscar boy suffered seperation anxiety, but compared to your baby he has no sighns........... i can feel tears well up thinking wat you must be going through, all the best and big hugs from here in australia from oscar, roxy and myself mel.....
 

aramis

Boxer Pal
thanks for your support.

I just joined boxerworld for this reason - to get help and support! It is so tough because he was a pretty good dog up until recently. It seems that this last bout at the kennel really did a number on him. I am just amazed at how short of a time period it takes for a dog to destruct things - the screen door incident really made me realize that this is fairly serious and he needs help because he must be mentally distressed to do such damage. Especially when he could have probably knocked down the gate if he wanted.
 

gmacleod

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If you do a search of the forums, using the term "separation AND anxiety" you'll find a great many previous threads, with others' experiences.

But here are just a few threads that may well help you out with some good information - both on how to manage the behaviour, and on drugs and other options. Look particularly at the advice and links posted by Krikkit: http://boxerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55365
http://boxerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52506
http://boxerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55687
http://boxerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53805
http://boxerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51305
 

tesster

Boxer Insane
I have advice and hugs to offer! :D

My Conner was the same way. He had severe separation anxiety. He was on clomicalm, which was great, but I suspected it was causing his diarrhea. (We've since learned it's not the medication, it's something else.) Behaviorally, the Clomicalm helped a lot. However, I took him off and switched him to fluoxetine (prozac). He's done great on it, as well. Both take a good month to start working. If your vet recommends it, I would give it a try.

HOWEVER, you must understand that medication will NOT solve his problem. It will help him be calm enough to accelerate his learning curve. You must also modify his and your behavior in parallel. This does involve making comings and goings non-eventful, which includes, among other things, ignoring him when you come home for a period of time.

Understand what you're trying to accomplish through the exercise. You want to lessen the anxiety surrounding the coming home and leaving, AND you need to teach the dog to relax. You do this by not making a fuss when you come home or when you leave and by not rewarding excited behavior.

Your dog has no problem being anxious or excited. He's most excited when you come home. You giving him huggies and talking to him and loving on him when he's THAT excited, is REWARDING an excited/anxious state of mind, reinforcing how BAD things are when you're gone and how much better they are now that you're back, not to mention, giving in to a dog demanding attention from his owner. None are good, especially for a SA dog.

Couple of tips to help you ignore him. Get on your mobile and call someone before you walk in the door. This helped me not to give the dog eye contact or talk to him. It's just a tool I found that really helped me focus on something else when I got home. Don't sit down. That's another one. It's too hard not to acknowledge a dog when you sit down and he's jumping all over you. Turn your back and completely ignore jumping, verbalizations, and any demanding behavior.

BELIEVE ME - I have 2 young boxers and I count the minutes till I can go home and be with them. I KNOW how hard it is to ignore them. When he's calm, you can call him to you and give him all the love he deserves!

Good luck,
Julie
 
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Checkers

Boxer Insane
Sorry you are going through this. Dont forget that you wont have to ignore him for 15 mins forever. It may take that long to begin with, but eventually when he sees that you wont give him attention until he settles down, he will become settled much quicker and it may only take 2-3 mins before you can give him attention ;)
 

bucca

Boxer Insane
as many know from threads chloe has terrible seperation anxiety, its been tough she too is 51/2 years and its a battle she would pee and poop in the playroom when we left her. in the beginning we took her everywhere with us and i do mean everywhere but you cant always bring a dog and it was getting to the point where to be honest i wanted time alone to shop not just run in a store and run out because the dog was in the car, and in the summer having somene come so the air can stay on while the car runs!!! finally i started to leave the house for 10 mins then come back in, did that for a while then left for 20 mins same thing then 30 and so on doing it gradually so she knew i would be home and when i got home i didnt make a big deal i said hi to her and maxi and went about my business,( but before i went out i made sure she did too to do her business then put her in.) same with leaving dont make a big deal out of it. like you i dont crate my dogs never have and im luckily except for the peeing and poop (only in the same spot in one room) which has gotten alot better, she was never destructive so all i can say is try and put everything away baby proof the house, chloe like your dog gets antsy when we get the car keys and our coats but i talk to her and tell her to be a good girl and ill see her later. what we found really did the trick though was when we turned our garage into a playroom we added a big window and put a windown box there and we coveredit and chloe loves to sit there and when we leave she watches us pull out and when we get home she sees the car coming down the driveway and we see her all excited in the window. its helped that she can see whats going on . good luck
 
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