Chewy's Mom
Boxer Insane
Ah, you're right, Andie! Thanks for setting the record straight! 
Meds to AVOID in Boxers?
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WOW! Great idea for a thread! I had no clue about the ProHeart 6. It gave me a "lightbulb" moment. That may be the trouble with my mother's Boston Terrier! (i swear they are mini Boxers!) She had the injection and for the last 4 months the poor thing has been getting ill. Her immune system seems to be weakening. The vet has no idea what keeps causing the different issues. I think none of us thought of a link with the injection. This board is like an owner's manual! LOL
Brutus and Amaya's Mom
Boxer Insane
Before you post about Pro-Heart or any other med you hear about you may want to ask a vet. We have all heard stories about "someones" dog getting sick from this or that.
HAs anyone ever read the indications for asprin? How about advil for people?
From WebMD:
"Side effects of aspirin include:
Inflammation of the stomach (gastritis).
Gastrointestinal bleeding.
Allergic reaction.
Increased bruising and bleeding (hemorrhage) in the brain (rarely) or other internal organs of the body. "
My point is all drugs CAN cause some interaction and I would be cautious to check you information. There may also be drugs we don't knw about that your vet might. After all...this is the internet
Brutus and Amayas Mom
HAs anyone ever read the indications for asprin? How about advil for people?
From WebMD:
"Side effects of aspirin include:
Inflammation of the stomach (gastritis).
Gastrointestinal bleeding.
Allergic reaction.
Increased bruising and bleeding (hemorrhage) in the brain (rarely) or other internal organs of the body. "
My point is all drugs CAN cause some interaction and I would be cautious to check you information. There may also be drugs we don't knw about that your vet might. After all...this is the internet
Brutus and Amayas Mom
myrocky
Boxer Insane
I *know* for sure that ibuprofen shouldn't be given to dogs because it can be fatal. I have talked with vets about it before and there have been many shows on ER vets on AP where dogs come in and die from getting into ibuprofen. They eat them because the coating is sweet. If the dog is treated in time there is a chance of survival. However it shouldn't be given. Just because the side effects on humans are rare doesn't mean that is the case for the animal.
newark
Super Boxer
Brutus and Amaya's Mom, you make an excellent point and I have tried to be careful about taking everything with a grain of salt. (A good example is me telling people to be careful of the lepro vac, when it was probably just a rare incident with my dog). However, I was hoping that a list might make my research easier. When we went to get Jersey spayed, the vet was going to use ACE. Had I not read about it here on BW I would never have thought twice. I like my vet, they listen to me, they write down the names of everything they give her for me (now that they know I'm an exceptional careful boxer mom) and I'll continue to go to them.
But, occassionally something like the ACE situation could crop up again. My sole purpose here is to make sure I am as informed as possible when going into the vet office to discuss Jersey's health. Just because *some listed drug* is listed, doesn't mean I personally won't use it. I just need to have the peace of mind that comes with having done all my research. The burden of guilt if something avoidable happened is not something I could handle.
I guess the big question here is, what drugs fall into the same situation as the ACE. Many vets out there use it on Boxers and it's just something that most of us here would avoid, as there are safer alternatives. Hope this clears up my intent and my intention of what i'll do with the information.
But, occassionally something like the ACE situation could crop up again. My sole purpose here is to make sure I am as informed as possible when going into the vet office to discuss Jersey's health. Just because *some listed drug* is listed, doesn't mean I personally won't use it. I just need to have the peace of mind that comes with having done all my research. The burden of guilt if something avoidable happened is not something I could handle.
I guess the big question here is, what drugs fall into the same situation as the ACE. Many vets out there use it on Boxers and it's just something that most of us here would avoid, as there are safer alternatives. Hope this clears up my intent and my intention of what i'll do with the information.
JulieM
Boxer Insane
Actually, the lepto vaccine has probably the most acute reactions of all vaccinations, and many vets don't give it anymore unless there is a widespread lepto problem in the area. Lepto reactions are probably much more common that ACE reactions, actually.
There are no hard-and-fast rules about which drugs are "safe" and which aren't, especially on a breed-specific level. Vets won't even agree whether ACE is a problem for Boxers or not. The only widely-known breed-specific drug warning that I'm aware of is Ivermectin in Collies and Shelties.
That said, the top drugs with Adverse Events reported are Rimadyl (this is nasty stuff, by far the #1 in ADE reports) and most heartworm medications. (Heartworm drugs hold 4 spaces on the top 10 list.) Information on ADE reports is here:
http://www.fda.gov/cvm/index/ade/adetoc.htm
And I've posted the specifics in other threads (can't find the exact link right now!)
There are no hard-and-fast rules about which drugs are "safe" and which aren't, especially on a breed-specific level. Vets won't even agree whether ACE is a problem for Boxers or not. The only widely-known breed-specific drug warning that I'm aware of is Ivermectin in Collies and Shelties.
That said, the top drugs with Adverse Events reported are Rimadyl (this is nasty stuff, by far the #1 in ADE reports) and most heartworm medications. (Heartworm drugs hold 4 spaces on the top 10 list.) Information on ADE reports is here:
http://www.fda.gov/cvm/index/ade/adetoc.htm
And I've posted the specifics in other threads (can't find the exact link right now!)
Debbie Magon
Boxer Pal
Yesterday a very stupid, very new vet performed routine surgery on Clover and gave her what amounted to a 'Boxer Death' cocktail!
The disasterous combination of acepromazine and bomathal which is a drug that has almost identical effects on boxers as Ace, was almost the undoing of poor Clover.
She was unconcious for 10 hrs, unable to walk properly for at least 14 hrs after and is today pale , lethargic but slowly picking up.!
Both drugs cause hypotension and hypothermia as well as the other better known side effects.
Now these two drugs are commonly used in routine small animal surgery but NOT in the boxer.
Ths ignorant vet tried to argue with me that both were fine for ALL dogs and he had heard nothing to the contrary at vet school!
One of the facts surrounding the usuage of these types of drugs is that they are dispersed by the animals body fats.
Most boxers carry very little to no body fat, therefore they are even more vulnerable than most other breeds.
No thanks to the offending vet who to add insult to injury, was about to leave her , unattended over night in the clinic!
As if his prior stupidity wasnt enough!
What this shows here is many drugs are routinely safe for many animals, but quite often a certain breed or compromised animal may be in grave danger form what vets deem "safe" drugs.
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The disasterous combination of acepromazine and bomathal which is a drug that has almost identical effects on boxers as Ace, was almost the undoing of poor Clover.
She was unconcious for 10 hrs, unable to walk properly for at least 14 hrs after and is today pale , lethargic but slowly picking up.!
Both drugs cause hypotension and hypothermia as well as the other better known side effects.
Now these two drugs are commonly used in routine small animal surgery but NOT in the boxer.
Ths ignorant vet tried to argue with me that both were fine for ALL dogs and he had heard nothing to the contrary at vet school!
One of the facts surrounding the usuage of these types of drugs is that they are dispersed by the animals body fats.
Most boxers carry very little to no body fat, therefore they are even more vulnerable than most other breeds.
No thanks to the offending vet who to add insult to injury, was about to leave her , unattended over night in the clinic!
As if his prior stupidity wasnt enough!
What this shows here is many drugs are routinely safe for many animals, but quite often a certain breed or compromised animal may be in grave danger form what vets deem "safe" drugs.
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Wow Debbie, poor Clover - unconscious for 10 hours! :mad: I really hope she's starting to feel better. Smooches and hugs to Clover.
Diva and Monty's vet is pretty good, but he has what I call a 'baby vet' - not long out of varsity. She thinks she knows it all this one - I have already had one stand-up argument with her and I now refuse to deal with her at all. She doesn't acknowledge me when I come into the surgery - which is just fine with me. Her ability with humans is limited and her ability with animals is non-existent. And to top that off - she owns a boxer - go figure :(
Diva and Monty's vet is pretty good, but he has what I call a 'baby vet' - not long out of varsity. She thinks she knows it all this one - I have already had one stand-up argument with her and I now refuse to deal with her at all. She doesn't acknowledge me when I come into the surgery - which is just fine with me. Her ability with humans is limited and her ability with animals is non-existent. And to top that off - she owns a boxer - go figure :(
I didn't know that the Lepto vaccine was such a problem!
Where I live, canine leptospirosis is a fact of life during our wet season.
The strain of Lepto in Darwin is not susceptible to the usual lepto vaccines. there is an unregistered vaccine that is supposed to provide 6 mth protection, two injections given 3 - 6 weeks apart.
Judah had these before the start of the last wet and did not have any adverse reactions to it. i guess it is a case of damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Any further thoughts?
Where I live, canine leptospirosis is a fact of life during our wet season.
The strain of Lepto in Darwin is not susceptible to the usual lepto vaccines. there is an unregistered vaccine that is supposed to provide 6 mth protection, two injections given 3 - 6 weeks apart.
Judah had these before the start of the last wet and did not have any adverse reactions to it. i guess it is a case of damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Any further thoughts?
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