Jan Fennell

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BILJ

Boxer Pal
I'm looking to hear opinions on Jan Fennell's books and her method...hope some of you will share your views. :)
I have heard both good and bad things about her methods, and I don't know exactly what to think about it myself. I have read "The Dog Listener" and the book after that one with practical advise.

Thank you. :)

(sorry if this has been posted in the wrong category, I'm new and confused ;) , didn't know exactly where to put it, so I just chose one.)
 

courtney323

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Hi BILJ -

I have read a couple of her books, and she has some great ideas. Since she implements and advocates positive reinforcement methods, I don't think you will find anyone on these Forums who doesn't appreciate her work.

However, there are other trainers whose methods seem to come with a higher recommendation:

Patricia McConnell
Karen Pryor www.clickertraining.com
Suzanne Clothier
Jean Donaldson

I'm probably leaving out a lot of other great trainers. I'm sure JulieM will jump in with some other great recommendations. :) Feel free to do a search on "Jan Fennell" or "positive reinforcement" and you'll dig up a lot of threads where this has been discussed in the past.
 

JulieM

Boxer Insane
All very good suggestions, Courtney. :)

Some people question Jan Fennell's methods as they seem non-sensical. I guess it all depends on whether you buy into the theory that your dog thinks it's your parent, and whether you want to develop a relationship with your dog by ignoring it. (I'm not a Fennell fan, if you can't tell. ;) There is far worse advice out there, but I'd prefer to ignore the dog if and only if it is misbehaving, rather than as a matter of course.)

Other trainers are:
Sue Ailsby: http://www.dragonflyllama.com/ MAIN/indexdog.html
Melissa Alexander: http://www.clickersolutions.com
Bill & Marian Bailey: http://www.behavior1.com
Corrally Burmaster: http://www.clickertrain.com/
Shirley Chong: http://www.shirleychong.com
Debi Davis: http://www.clickertales.com
Ian Dunbar: http://www.siriuspup.com
Helix Fairweather: http://www.cyberagility.com/
Kay Laurence: http://www.learningaboutdogs.com/
Pat Miller: http://www.peaceablepaws.com
September Morn: http://hometown.aol.com/morndogs/myhomepage/index.html
Gary Wilkes: http://www.clickandtreat.com

The websites for the other three Courtney mentioned are:
Suzanne Clothier: http://www.flyingdogpress.com
Jean Donaldson: http://www.sfspca.org/academy
Patricia McConnell: http://www.dogsbestfriendtraining.com
 

BILJ

Boxer Pal
Thanks for recommending good trainers. :)

I am not a Jan Fennell fan either...I think she's much too preoccupied with dominance and that one risks ruining the dogs ability to take initiatives by using her methods.
I like McConnell´, Hallgren, Rygaas, Egtved, Köste and Pryor.

Excuse that I am taking up a discussion you have already had many times...I wanted too hear opinions on this subject and didn't consider looking back at existing threads...
Maybe I should stop posting new threads...you guys have probably been around almost every discussion before... :) lol
I'll search in stead.

Thank you. :)
 

courtney323

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Ask away, BILJ!

These are great topics worth discussing, and old threads may not always answer your specific questions :)
 

Glenys

Boxer Booster
Please don't be put off by the negatives against Jan Fennell-- I have applied her methods and have got peace in my house at last. I do believe her successes talk for themselves, and would recommend her to anyone. Keep trying if you've already started, you can't do any harm, and I think her ways are very positive.
 

tesster

Boxer Insane
I am a fan of Jan Fennell for the most part. When my dogs started fighting, I was VERY into her methods. Of course, I was grabbing hold of anything that I thought might help! :)

I don't buy into everything she's selling about alpha behavior, etc. We are the alpha by default because we control the food. After working with a behaviorist for several months, I tend to agree with focusing on behaviors, not on this alpha stuff that we may or may not really understand. I think her method works for her because she's a natural leader. She is trying to teach people how to be the leader of their pack through ritualized behaviors that alpha wolves display, but realistically, you can't fake it. To make her methods work, in my opinion, you have to take on an alpha personality, not just mimic the behaviors.

However, I have found that Jan's method has been quite effective in making comings and goings non-eventful for my Conner who has severe separation anxiety. I don't sit and ignore the dog till the egg timer goes off, but I do find things to do when if I first get home like reading the mail, talking on the phone, etc. that doesn't get my dogs all crazy.

I do think the book is great and there are some parts of her method that are effective in helping certain situations.

But, I actually prefer Jean Donaldson's perspectives. She's more focused on the dog's behavior and reinforcing the behaviors that are wanted positively. She's a bit high brow and her books aren't as easy to read, but if you can get passed that, I do prefer her books. The pamphlets she's published (Fight! and Mine!) are way too high level for the average dog owner, so I don't recommend them, but The Culture Clash is great.

I admit that I am a bit biased. My behaviorist was trained by Jean and my dogs now get along. :)
 
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