Idea on getting Clover in her crate

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Clover's Mom

Super Boxer
Here's the deal - started crating Clover from day 2...starting out with 10 seconds, then slowly working our way up to 4hours...we gave her a ton of praise for going in her kennel, and didn't make a big deal about it when she was allowed out. We've feed her in her kennel, put toys in there, treats, I've climbed in there (what a sight). So here's my problem, Clover will not, and I repeat will not go anywhere near her kennel anymore, even for food...we either have to pick her up to put her in there, or put her collar and leash on her and walk her, and she protess (sp) the whole way with low growls or jumping and running away from you, and then just when you get her near her kennel and take the leash off she'll run, or she'll scoot away and try her hardest to not let you get her again. This makes leaving the house very difficult and a very, very long process. I've tried chaning our routine so she wouldn't know when we were leaving, that didn't help, she still goes and hides on the couch (like we can't see her, silly girl) every morning around 7:40. My husband now puts her blanket on top on her (so her face is covered) and then carries her to the kennel and puts her in there and she is just fine with it that way. But I hate doing that...how can I get her to walk to her kennel, I've never had a problem with my other dogs. We've tried leaving her in the bathroom, but she hated that, then the bedroom and she made a mess. HELP, HELP, HELP. I keep thinking it's because she flew in a crate (different type) to us when she was 8 weeks old, and she is 15 weeks right now, but not really sure. Any advice???
 

Clover's Mom

Super Boxer
Yep, and she will follow you until she about 6 inches or so away and then she won't budge, and she just stares at you. I've sat there waiting for her to move for about 15 mins, then I put the treat up and go and put her in the kennel. We've played kennel games (when she would at least walk in there), but now can't do that because she won't go in and I have to pick her up to put her in there, and when she gets out she goes running away....sigh ~ not sure what is going on.
 

ricos_mama

Boxer Booster
I keep rico in the kitchen during the day, when I am not there, but he used to hate to go into the kitchen when he knew I was leaving but I started to give a little treat when we were leaving, like a littel bit of cottage cheese mixed with his food, or cut up apples. he would be so excited about that that he wouldn't even care about being in the kitchen, he will go in easier now, he is still kind of suspicous though, like, if i am washing the dishes he will stand in the doorway with just his head poking in and with one back leg streched all the way out of the kitchen, just in case he has to make a run for it...he is so funny. I hope that helps, maybe clover just needs to get used to being alone, I think that i mind rico being alone more than he does, he got used to after a while, and in the morning before work, he will walk into the kitchen with me and hang out unitl i leave him there...
 

Krikkit

Boxer Insane
Are you able to set aside an entire weekend to shape Clover going into the crate? Shaping is extrmemely effective but it requires dedication, patience and utmost consistancey by the human part of the team :) The struggle that is happening now is not great for you or Clover so it's best to start from scratch with an intensive re-education while she is still young (I'd not like to have to pick up an adult Boxer to get them into a crate). Sounds like there may be other things happening here as well, or Clover has had a bad experience with handling in the past?

Anyway, if you are interested, here is a rough guideline (I'd use a clicker for this but I guess you are not clicker training?):

Get lots of extrememly tasty treats that Clover just loves (even skip a meal so she is extra hungry). Pick a word you can say to Clover so you can pair that word with the great treat ('Yes' 'Great'). Say the word in an upbeat happy voice and give her a treat. Repeat 15 - 20 times in a row so she associates that word with the treat.

Next, head in the general vicinity of the crate and say the word and treat the minute she glances at the crate (try to position yourself so she can glance at the crate). When you treat hold the treat just in front of her so she has to reach toward it (and the crate) to get it - golden rule of training is position of reward. Don't be tempted to lure her into the crate as we want her to think of this on her own.

Keep saying the magic word and treating for glances at the crate - if she steps towards the crate (or even wiggles her toe closer) give her two treats. If she puts her nose in the crate have a party and give her several treats.

You need to do this in baby steps and keep the rate of reinforcement very high. Always say the word and treat her for any progress no matter how small. I'd be trying to get in a reward schedule of about 20 - 30 per minute for this first off (if she scratches, yawns or walks away, you need to split the behaviour down further so you can reward more. Keeping the reinforcement rate high is very important to assist learning). Do not give more than 2-3 reinforcements at any one step along the way to the final behaviour of walking into the crate, as it may make it difficult to move up to the next level of performance. Clover may get stuck offering this over-reinforced level.

That the rough idea - below are some more in depth articles on shaping that will enable you to work out a plan (writing out a plan really helps). Try the exercise several times a day for short sessions. The artilcles mainly clicker articles but instead of 'click' you can use your chosen word.

This is from a class handout we use:
What is Shaping?
Shaping is the process of rewarding parts of a behaviour you want until you get the final behaviour.
For example we want Fido to stand with his front feet on a box. We could sit and wait for hours until Fido accidentally happened to be standing with his feet on the box (which may never happen). Or we can shape little behaviours that will lead to standing on the box. This is called splitting the behaviour. Splitting the behaviour accelerates learning as it helps us to keep the dog's rate of reinforcement for correct responses very high.
We can split the front feet on the box into:
1. Looked toward the box
2. Moved head toward the box
3. Moved front paw toward the box
4. Moved four feet toward the box
5. Lowered head toward the box
6. Sniffed the box
7. Touched the box
8. Pawed at the box
9. Placed one front foot on the box
10. Placed both front feet on the box

At each stage we would click and reward the dog. To accelerate the shaping process, it is important to place the reward where you want the behaviour to occur. So when the dog was clicked for looking at the box, we would deliver the reward between the dog and the box. When the dog moved toward the box, we would deliver the reward above the box. When the dog sniffed the reward we would deliver the reward on the box. If the dog wasn't offering to touch the box with its foot we could reward a sniff or nose touch by delivering the reward up higher above the box. The moment the dog touched the box with its foot we would click again and deliver another reward above the box to reinforce the feet on the box. Use your release word to indicate the exercise is over. < rest cut - really long >

Online articles:

10 Laws of Shaping
http://www.clickertraining.com/trai...&itemnumber=3&salesitem=ten_laws_of_shaping_s

Crate Training (with shaping)
http://www.clickersolutions.com/articles/2001/crate.htm

101 things to do with a Box (or maybe crate :) )
http://www.clickertraining.com/training/clicker_basics/index.htm?loaditem=101_w_a_box&itemnumber=8

Shaping Behaviours
http://www.dogseast.com/shaping.htm

Operant Conditioning and Shaping
http://www.dogscouts.com/clicker.shtml

The art of shaping (this is pretty neat - something I plan on trying with my Boxers)
http://www.dogscouts.com/artofshaping.shtml

Your plan might look something like:

Step 1: Dog looks toward crate. I click and reward between the dog and the crate.

Step2: Dog steps toward crate. I click and reward between the dog and the crate.

Step3: Dog takes two steps toward crate. I click and reward in the entrance of the crate.

Step4: Dog walks toward crate. I click the instant a foot touches the crate, reward just inside the crate door.

Step5: Dog walks over to the crate. I click the instant a foot touches the inside of crate, reward in the crate.

Step6: Dog steps in the crate. I click and reward in the crate

Step7: Dog places most of body in the crate. I click and reward in crate.

Step8: Dog places all of body in the crate. I click and reward in crate and release the dog from the crate.

Step9: Dog quickly re-offers going in the crate. I click, reward and release the dog.

Step10: Dog stands in crate. I reward regularly to keep dog in the crate.

Final Behaviour: Dog walks into crate and turns around and waits in the crate.


Sharon
 

Clover's Mom

Super Boxer
HI Sharon,

Thanks for the tips, I will try that this weekend. Not sure which treats to use cause Clover isn't a treat girl, but I think maybe a yummy hotdog cut up will work. Hopefully :) We've had Clover since she was 7 1/2/8 weeks (I know too young...long story) and we got her from a breeder, not the best breeder I know this now, Clover then flew from OK to us here in Los Angeles, and at first when she started to hate her crate I thought it was from her experience in the kennel in the airplane - or even if they let her get use to the crate before they put her in there for the 6 hour flight, but it didn't make sense, since she was fine with it before hand. Once we got her home I didn't push the crate issue that day or the next, then I took 3 days off work to get her accustom to her crate. She did fine for 3 weeks or so and then it started. Her first trainer was good, and I could kick myself, but now we have a great trainer. Not sure, but I will set aside this weekend and follow your steps.

THANKS :)
 
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