Iams Bad??

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stoc1stboxer

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I'm hearing that Iams is bad. We feed our 6 month old iams puppy, large breed formula because our vet and breeder recommended it. Can anyone help me out with the benifits of going to something like chicken soup or innova? I looked at the ingredients and they seemed to be about the same as Iams. She has never had any problems with iams, always had solid stools, and likes iams fine. She eats just over 3 cups a day, seperated into three feedings a day. Please advise...
 

gmacleod

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Iams is not the worst dog food ever made, but it isn't great either. Certainly not what you'd consider to be a premium food anyway. Here's a page that explains how to select a good quality dog food, and what you should be looking for: www.boxerworld.com/feeding

As for the Iams ingredients - nowhere near the same thing as either Chicken Soup of Innova. Here's the Iams large breed puppy:
Chicken, Corn Meal, Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Chicken By-Product Meal , Ground Whole Grain Barley, Fish Meal (source of fish oil), Dried Beet Pulp (sugar removed), Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of vitamin E, and Citric Acid), Natural Chicken Flavor, Dried Egg Product, Brewers Dried Yeast, Potassium Chloride, Salt, Calcium Carbonate, Choline Chloride, DL-Methionine, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Vitamin A Acetate, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Rosemary Extract, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of vitamine B1), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Niacin, Riboflavin Supplement (source of vitamin B2), Inositol, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of vitamin B6), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Potassium Iodide, Folic Acid, Cobalt Carbonat.

The "offensive" ingredients are in italics. What's wrong with them is as follows:
corn meal - corn is difficult for dogs to digest, making it a nutritionally-useless filler. Since this is the number two ingredient in Iams, and the "first" ingredient is chicken inclusive of it's water content (which probably actually means that once the water is removed, the chicken is no longer number one ;)) you know you're feeding a food without a great deal of nutritional adequacy. Dogs are primarily carnivores and should get their nutrition primarily from meat sources, not from cheap grains. Corn is also just about the most common allergen for dogs.
chicken by-product meal - by-products are those parts that are either useless for any other purpose (heads, feet etc) or else are too low quality to be used elsewhere.
beet pulp - another common allergen.
natural chicken flavor - artificial flavour
brewers dried yeast - by product of the alcohol industry and a common allergen
salt - as bad for dogs as it is for people ;)

No dog food is perfect, of course, but Iams has got a *lot* of nasty ingredients and they're high up the ingredient list too - meaning they make up a high proportion of the food.

Here, conversely is the ingredient list for Chicken Soup:
Chicken, turkey, chicken meal, turkey meal, whole grain brown rice, whole grain white rice, oatmeal, potatoes, cracked pearled barley, millet, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols), duck, salmon, egg product, flaxseed, natural chicken flavor, kelp, carrots, peas, apples, dried skim milk, cranberry powder, rosemary extract, parsley flake, potassium chloride, salt, choline chloride, dried chicory root, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate, manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, menadione sodium bisulfite (source of vitamin K activity), riboflavin, vitamin D supplement, folic acid.

Now the only "offensive" ingredients in this food is the artificial flavour and salt. But both occur well down the ingredient list, meaning that it is a very small proportion of the food. Note also that the first four ingredients are meat sources, there are plenty of vegetables and no really nasty grains or other nutritionally-useless allergens. Definitely in a class well above the Iams ;)
 

Allie'sMom

Boxer Booster
Just a word about Iams from personal experience... we feed allie iams briefly. It was terrible! Bad gas, soft stool, dull coat and a lot of itching! We switched food to Natural Balance, and we are SOOOO much happier! And, she eats it alot better than she ever did Iams before!
 

boxersRfun

Boxer Pal
Speaking of Soup...

stoc1stboxer said:
I'm hearing that Iams is bad. We feed our 6 month old iams puppy, large breed formula because our vet and breeder recommended it. Can anyone help me out with the benifits of going to something like chicken soup or innova? I looked at the ingredients and they seemed to be about the same as Iams. She has never had any problems with iams, always had solid stools, and likes iams fine. She eats just over 3 cups a day, seperated into three feedings a day. Please advise...

Hey, I think you're on to something... Have you tried actual 'soup bones' from your meat [beef] section? My little Tina Marie loves, loves, loves them! Every 2-3 days I get fresh ones and throw the old pieces in the trash. My baby is SO content. Try it, you'll like it.
 

Barleys Dad

Boxer Pal
Hello,

Any opinions on Purina One?? My Barley seems to like it, he's a terribly fussy eater and its the only kibble he will eat!!

Paul
 

gmacleod

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Umm. Purina is another of the lowest quality foods around, and actually even worse than Iams. As already mentioned, any food that is based on corn instead of meat, contains unidentified "by-products" and other difficult to digest grains such as wheat is not good nutrition for a canine and should be avoided.

If you take a look at the feeding link posted earlier, you'd note that in a good quality dog food you should see an absolute minimum of two named meat protein sources in the top 5 ingredients (including, of course, the first ingredient) and it is wise to avoid anything that uses either corn or wheat in the food - and certainly not in the top 5 ingredients (which make up the bulk of the food).

Here's the ingredient list for Purina One Chicken & Rice formula:
Chicken, brewers rice, whole grain corn, corn gluten meal, poultry by-product meal (natural source of glucosamine), whole grain wheat, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), animal digest, chicken cartilage (natural source of glucosamine), dicalcium phosphate, salt, malted barley flour, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, choline chloride, L-Lysine monohydrochloride, zinc sulfate, Vitamin E supplement, ferrous sulfate, manganese sulfate, niacin, Vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin B-12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, garlic oil, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, calcium iodate, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), sodium selenite.
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Again, the ingredients it is wise to avoid in a dog food and that offer little or no nutrition for a dog are italicised. As you can see, in the case of Purina One that is almost everything... This is a "dog food" that is made up almost entirely of grains. But dogs are not designed to eat grains at all.

Just to point out the contrast, in many premium quality foods, four of the top five ingredients will be named meat sources, minimal grain content will be whole grains such as barley, and the remainder of the food is fruit and vegetables. *That* is what we're looking for in a good quality food - not a load of cheap grain fragments with a bit of chicken thrown in for flavouring LOL

Here's the link again to Boxerworld's page on how to choose a good quality food for your dog - including what to look for and what to avoid: www.boxerworld.com/feeding. We're not affiliated with any dog food manufacturers, in case you wonder LOL. But just in case, here's an external link that covers similar ground (and there are plenty more sites like this one, if you care to google): http://www.healthypetnet.com/products/food/dog/comparisons.asp?realname=10042285
 

Capone's Mama

Boxer Booster
I feel if you can buy it at a groc store it is bad. Going to a pet store is better but some are not great there . I have one that is raw feed and one that is feed innova evo. The one on kibble can not handle raw she gets sick. And the one on raw can not handle carrots in dog food. So read all you can and know your dog. and as gmacleod has said read the ingredients by products and filler are not good.
 

Barleys Dad

Boxer Pal
Gmacleod,

Thanks for taking the time to answer in such detail.
Without taking too much of your time would you be able to give an idea of what is a good diet for my boxer a 14 month male??
Being in the UK i'm not sure if some of the kibbles available to you are over here, one thing I would be interested in is the BARF real meat meals, this is stocked in my local pet shop but I need to be sure i'm giving my boy a well balanced diet and I doubt raw meat alone is sufficent.

Many thanks

Paul :)
 

gmacleod

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Hi Paul :)

Actually, I'm in the UK too :)

Not all the dry dog foods available in the US are the same as the ones in the UK. There's some commonality though, and a number of good quality brands sold here I believe.

I, however, have not tried them - since I feed a raw diet. I don't buy the pre-made stuff though. Any chance of a link to the food you're considering?

You're right that raw meat alone isn't a balanced diet for dogs. What they need is a diet that is balanced in terms of meat versus bone (important for the calcium/phosphorus ratio), and includes a fair amount of offal and some degree of fruit/vegetable matter (though exactly how much is wide open to debate).

There is a lot of information about raw feeding in our BARF forum. There are also quite a few good books around on the subject. Some that come to mind are Dr Ian Billinghurst's "Give your dog a bone" and "Grow your pup with bones" and Dr Tom Lonsdale's "Raw meaty bones promote health".

I'm firmly of the opinion that a raw diet is the best nutritional option for most dogs (not all). But it isn't necessarily the best option for all owners. One way or the other, it is something that you should research before jumping into and be sure you're comfortable with.

Gwyneth
 

Barleys Dad

Boxer Pal
Hi Gwyneth,

So where in the uk are you? I'm near Newmarket, Suffolk :)

The food I'm thinking about can be found at www.prizechoice.co.uk It seems good stuff but there is not bone content as far as I'm aware so how would bone be included in a diet?? purely as a bone to chew or ground up and added to the meat??

I'm sure this is what I would like to do as I want only the best for my boy, a little extra expense or prep time is not a problem.

Thanks

Paul :)
 
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