I do need your help

[pedromramos]

No, I don't

So you are saying that after ALL that she has been through, and knowing full well that she has a medical problem, you still want to endanger her life for some puppies? Wow.

First and foremost, I want her well-being.

If she has any medical problem, of course I will not allow her to get pregnant and, if medically safe, she will be spayed. However, the fact is that ultra-sound exams and all the tests she has undertaken have shown no physical damage or health problem that could have caused this situation. That's why the vet thinks that it might have been an ocasional hormonal disruption. And it's only if that proves to be so, that I will let her get pregnant.

And if, God forbids, she should really have a medical problem with her kidneys, surgery is, at least, as dangerous ...

 

[pedromramos]

Nothing of the sort

Yes I have some advice, DON'T BREED YOUR DOG! She very well could have died from some unknown cause and you are still willing to breed her and risk her life as well as possibly breed some puppies who inherit whatever problem she seems to have had. You don't even know what caused this and yet you are going to just breed her up and possibly kill her, and for what? If she DOES have some sort of underlying kidney malfunction that could very well kill her and her puppies. If she does make it then she very well could have puppies with whatever problem she seems to have, since you have no clue what is wrong. I really cannot beleive what some people put their animals through just for their own desires. Best of luck to your poor girl, she sure needs it. Glad I don't have a vet like that =/

As I have said in other answers, I will only breed her if I'm sure there is no medical condition (i.e., if we can be sure this was a one time situation). She has been thoroughly tested and no kidney malformation or problem has shown up, nor any other medical condition.

I won't lie to you, I would like to have a litter from her and to keep one of the puppies, but that's a long way from what you imply, since I would never risk her, or cause her suffering.

 

[pedromramos]

WOW, you got me all wrong

I would never risk any of my dogs intentionally, let alone for a whimp, or to satisfy my wishes.

Ever since she was a small puppy that I discussed breeding her once, after she was fully matured (to avoid complications that could arise from pregnancy while in growth stage) and spaying her afterwards.

So, when I mentioned it, it only meant things were going back to normal.

All tests she has undergone have failed to show a cause for this situation. Her kidneys are normally developed, as well as all her other organs. This has led the vet to believe that it might have been caused by a temporary hormonal unbalance, maybe caused by, or heightened by, the medication she took to dry out her milk.

Only being sure that there is nothing wrong with her and that there are no abnormal risks involved with the pregnancy would I consider breeding her.

I would love to keep a puppy from her, but not if it is any risk for her.

Of course, I can always go out and get a puppy from someone else. Believe, with all this I have spent enough for more than two or three of them, but that is not even an issue. Her health just comes first.

Now, one question for you all: None of you ever wanted to have a puppy from your dog, just because of how much you like him/her? Sure, you'd probably love another puppy, as well, but would it be the same?

Hope you can see my point, and rest assured that ONLY with NO RISKS for her will I consider breeding her.

 

[Mama_Zookeeper]

Pedromramos, as you can see from all the passionate responses breeding is taken very seriously on this web site. With all the careless breeding happening here in North America due to back yard breeders the boxer as a breed has suffered tremendously. Without trying to sound patronizing, please take a second to think about why you would like a puppy from your girl. The only ethical reason to breed is to BETTER THE BOXER BREED, plain & simple. Any other reason is simply not acceptable.

You have two very beautiful pups. If you spayed your girl now, you can still use the wealth of information on this web site to become a future breeder of spectacular boxers. It is an idea I myself have been tossing around.

Everyone here LOVES the boxer breed and we tend to react very strongly, but it is out of love. Good Luck with your decision.

Dora

 

[Vela]

As I have said in other answers, I will only breed her if I'm sure there is no medical condition (i.e., if we can be sure this was a one time situation). She has been thoroughly tested and no kidney malformation or problem has shown up, nor any other medical condition.

I won't lie to you, I would like to have a litter from her and to keep one of the puppies, but that's a long way from what you imply, since I would never risk her, or cause her suffering.

Therein lies the problem, since you don't know what caused it you can never be sure it was a one time occurance. I have never heard of hormones causing renal malfunction..just because that vet could not find the cause does not mean there isn't one. It would be quite tragic for you to find out that it wasn't a one time occurance by losing your girl due to the increased stress on her from a pregnancy. Any time a bitch is bred there is a risk and unless you have done through health testing of not only kineys but of heart, hips, thyroid, etc, as outlined in the health testing forum, and unless she has proven to be of exceptional physical quality to breed, then you are risking her life for puppies that may not even be healthy. My apologies for misunderstanding your intentions but it SEEMED that you didn't care much by what was said. Message boards don't always convey feelings as well as real conversations. I am glad to hear that your girl comes first. I would just be afraid to risk it and risk losing her since you can't really be sure what caused the problem.

 

[Mama_Zookeeper]

Now, one question for you all: None of you ever wanted to have a puppy from your dog, just because of how much you like him/her? Sure, you'd probably love another puppy, as well, but would it be the same?

Sure we would all like to have replicas of our boxers, but "wanting" is truly a selfish reason to breed. Regardless of what the medical tests your vet found or did not find, your girl has some health issues. Are you prepared to spend the same amount of time & money and 5 pups just like her. Breeding HER will only create more unhealthy boxers, and there are plenty of those out there already. But imagine researching and investing your time & money on educating yourself. You may not have her puppies, but would it really be such a bad thing. You don't want to have puppies that go through what she has gone through. Find a breeder who does the required health tests & shows their dogs to be your mentor and do it right if breeding is something you truly want to do.

Dora

 

[LilygirlCO]

I don't think that any of us would deny how cute it would be to have grandbabies but our wants are not considered ethical. Unfortunately, there is just too many people out there ruining the Boxer breed. Boxers have many many health issues associated with the breed and are even changing the way they look due to poor breeding practices. That is why everyone on BW supports only breeders that do the necessary health tests to help lower the health risks associated with boxers. And those breeders also show their dogs in shows such as conformation to make sure they are breed standard before breeding them as well. Too many boxers out there are getting longer snouts, growing to be a large breed instead of a medium breed, etc...

Yes, I would LOVE to have one of Lily's offspring but she would not be excellent breeding stock despite her cute looks and fantastic personality. I am also not educated in the logistics and practices of breeding therefore I should not breed.

So please do your little furbaby a favor, get her spayed, help lower her health risks, and you will not only be doing her a favor but the entire Boxer breed. Please feel free to read stories on the rainbow bridge of other parents losing their boxer babies due to the results of poor breeding.

 

[courtney323]

pedromramos -

I also ask you to please read the Rules (which you agreed to when joining). Specifically, the following discussion is forbidden:

Discussion of breeding practices that would be deemed by most to be unethical or irresponsible. This includes, but is not limited to: breeding white boxers; breeding young dogs; breeding untested dogs; breeding for any purpose other than to improve the breed and/or your line). If you wish to post about your breeding program on this site, you need to be prepared to provide evidence of the health testing undertaken.

More information on health tests can be found at www.boxerworld.com/health_testing. I understand you have genuine health concerns and questions, but if you are intent on breeding your female in an irresponsible fashion, you certainly cannot discuss it here on this site. Breeding your female to have and keep one of her puppies falls under the irresponsible category, I'm afraid. One question you should be asking yourself is: Am I prepared to lose my female in childbirth, all for my desire of having a puppy from her? It's a very real risk, I'm afraid -- and one that certainly should not be overlooked.

 

[marisisky]

Now, one question for you all: None of you ever wanted to have a puppy from your dog, just because of how much you like him/her? Sure, you'd probably love another puppy, as well, but would it be the same?

Pedroramos,

It sounds like you are saying that you want to have a puppy from your boxer because you want another dog just like her. If this is true, I would like to point out that any baby gets its genes from both its mom and dad in a random assortment of traits. Therefore, not only is your wanting to breed your boxer to get another like her unethical as others have pointed out, but it also is a strategy that is going to fail since the pups will get genes from dad as well. If you have kept up on the news however, scientists have recently cloned a dog in south korea and it only took them many years and millions of dollars!
Seriously though, that is why it is so important as others have said to only breed in order to improve the overall quality of the boxer breed. Purebred dogs like boxers start with only a few founders and therefore a limited set of genes. This is why all boxers look and act in consistent ways but also why they all are at risk for a consistent set of health problems. If you buy or produce a pup through responsible breeding, then it will have the best chance of having all the qualities you love in your current boxer girl with none of the health problems, even if the mom is a different dog.

 

[Checkers]

If you are going to breed her after she gets the all clear for her kidneys, please get her thyriod, hips and heart checked. I dont know how long you have looked at the board for, but the amount of dogs that have medical problems is HUGE. Its heart breaking for the owners to have their dog suffer from something that could have been prevented by a few tests of the parents. Breeding her without health clearing her (and no that does NOT mean the vet saying ok, that means medical test results) is intentionally harming her offspring and their potential families. You have to think of the bigger picture.