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Tigress

Boxer Pal
I have been trying to find the words, and see thru my tears. I have not been active on this board, but I've come and read when I've had time. Now, i need you all. My heart goes out to all those who have had to put a boxer down, and those who face this in the knowingly near future. I am one of those now. I can't tell you how much I've cried the past few days reading about those of you who have just lost your babies.

My Sam has cancer. It is a long story, of which I can't get into right now. I will give you the highlight and points we're dealing with right now.

Vet says the calcium levels in her blood are at highly toxic levels. She went in for what we thought was a urinary tract infection first week of January. We've done Xrays, blood work and testing. There are two good sized masses in her chest and the cancer has gotten into her lymph nodes as well. We dont have the money to even try anything else right now, nor can we afford to get into debt to do anything. We have decided that we will enjoy what time we have and deal with the end when it comes. She is on medication to help her not urinate as frequently, but 2 days ago it has begun to stop working.

She is leaking and having accidents again. She has lost alot of her normal pep. She tires alot faster than before, even from a simple car ride. She is not eating like normal anymore, but still drinks. She still likes her treats, going for a walk or ride, shows some excitement for new people, etc. But, she is not the dog she was. The vet told us things could happen rapidly once they begin to get bad. She has been my shadow even more than before this past week. Our biggest concern, that the vet does not have a concrete answer for, is her shaking/shivering. Her body shakes, or shivers. I'm not sure what the right word is. Since this all started, she's been doing it. But, it was seldom before. Now, it is much more frequent. and lasts longer. If you didn't know better, you'd think she was cold. But no amount of warmth or blankets make it stop.

How do you know? How do you know when they are hurting? How do we know when the time is right to have her put down? We dont want her to suffer, but we dont want to take her before its time. We love her so dearly. I have never been as attached to a dog as I have gotten to her. I've heard people say that boxers have a way of letting you know they are ready. Can anyone tell me how?

I'm sorry if this post has been all over the place. It's kinda how I'm feeling. Any questions please ask. I will try my best to answer.

Nicole
 
I am so sorry you are having to go through this. All I can say is that you will know when it is kindest and best to say goodbye...it comes down to her quality of life--if she is losing the light in her eyes and her usual spirit and the bad moments start to outweigh the good moments, you will know it is time to let her go. It is the hardest thing you will ever have to do, I know, but you will be strong and brave for her sake because you love her and want to spare her any further pain. I wish I had a magic answer or could make the decision for you, only you can make that decision and in your heart you will know if it is time.

I had to say good bye to my dearest boxer boy a little while back--he had lymphoma which had spread through all of his lymph nodes and into his chest. It was the large mass in his chest that began to affect his breathing and ultimately was his undoing. I can tell you from my experience with Norton that from the time of his diagosis until I had to make that decision to let him go was about 4 months, and the last three weeks his condition did go downhill rather quickly...I believe I let him go before he suffered any real pain/discomfort and I am glad that I made my decision when I did, more than anything I could not have handled thinking I caused him any undue pain or suffering.


Please know that everyone here at BW will be thinking positive thoughts for you, and my heart is breaking for you...please let me know how things go. I am truly sorry about your baby.
 

RedsMamacita

Boxer Buddy
I had to put my sweet boy down today. Red was and suffering from cancer as well. I don't know how to answer your question for you, other than to say what others told me, and that is that you will know when it is time. Red's quality of life had declined and he just was not happy. He seemed to be in pain and I had to make the most horrible decision to let him go today. He was just diagnosed about weeks ago. As much as I am hurting, I knew it was time and that neither I nor him could bear any more. It is killing me, but I find comfort in knowing he is in peace. Follow your heart.
 
RedsMamacita said:
I had to put my sweet boy down today. Red was and suffering from cancer as well. I don't know how to answer your question for you, other than to say what others told me, and that is that you will know when it is time. Red's quality of life had declined and he just was not happy. He seemed to be in pain and I had to make the most horrible decision to let him go today. He was just diagnosed about weeks ago. As much as I am hurting, I knew it was time and that neither I nor him could bear any more. It is killing me, but I find comfort in knowing he is in peace. Follow your heart.

I am soo sorry about Red--I was following your earlier thread...I am so sorry.
 

Ronin1

Boxer Insane
My heart goes out to you in this difficult time. I've sent many beloved pets to the bridge and it's never and easy decidion to make. I will keep you and Sam in my thoughts and prayers. In your heart, you will know. ~~Megan
 

Tigress

Boxer Pal
Jill, thank you. These words of yours help

"All I can say is that you will know when it is kindest and best to say goodbye...it comes down to her quality of life--if she is losing the light in her eyes and her usual spirit and the bad moments start to outweigh the good moments, you will know it is time to let her go."

It may not be someone telling me ok, now is the time. But it tells me something no one has said yet. We will watch and see. And when we see that the bad is truly outweighing the good, we will let her go. I already think the light is fading from her eyes. It's not all gone, but fading.

Another thing tho... any ideas on the whole shake shiver thing? Is she hurting? Can we know?

RedsMamacita, thanks for your thoughts. I'm so sorry and my heart goes out to you.

And my baby... is only 4 1/2.
 
Tigress said:
Jill, thank you. These words of yours help

Another thing tho... any ideas on the whole shake shiver thing? Is she hurting? Can we know?

It may be that she is having trouble regulating her body temperature and is cold--you could take her temperature rectally with a digital thermometer--normal temperature range for dogs can go between 99.5 - 102.5 F but most usually you will see it in the 101-102.5 F range. It could also be due to pain, but I cannot say for sure. Hypercalcemia (high levels of calcium in the bloodstream) can have neuromuscular effects in regards to muscle contractility so it is possible that the shivering is related to that, although it usually weakens the skeletal muscle's ability to contract so I don't know if the shivering would fall under that. Sadly, I do have to say, that if the calcium levels are reaching highly toxic levels, what begins to happen is that the organs and soft tissues begin to mineralize, I am so sorry.

I just want to add--I am not a veterinarian, I have worked as a vet tech for over 10 years and I am basing my opinions solely on my own personal experiences with my dog, as well as what I have learned and seen over the years--I am not attempting to diagnose your boxer's situation, I am only trying to offer my support and advice.
 
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Tigress

Boxer Pal
Ronin1 said:
My heart goes out to you in this difficult time. I've sent many beloved pets to the bridge and it's never and easy decidion to make. I will keep you and Sam in my thoughts and prayers. In your heart, you will know. ~~Megan


Thanks. I'm hoping my heart will tell me. I've never had to do this before. But, I know that when the time is right, we'll get another boxer for sure.
 

Tigress

Boxer Pal
Jill's boxer said:
It may be that she is having trouble regulating her body temperature and is cold--you could take her temperature rectally with a digital thermometer--normal temperature range for dogs can go between 99.5 - 102.5 F but most usually you will see it in the 101-102.5 F range. It could also be due to pain, but I cannot say for sure. Hypercalcemia (high levels of calcium in the bloodstream) can have neuromuscular effects in regards to muscle contractility so it is possible that the shivering is related to that, although it usually weakens the skeletal muscle's ability to contract so I don't know if the shivering would fall under that. Sadly, I do have to say, that if the calcium levels are reaching highly toxic levels, what begins to happen is that the organs and soft tissues begin to mineralize, I am so sorry.

I just want to add--I am not a veterinarian, I have worked as a vet tech for over 10 years and I am basing my opinions solely on my own personal experiences with my dog, as well as what I have learned and seen over the years--I am not attempting to diagnose your boxer's situation, I am only trying to offer my support and advice.


Wow, thank you. I can't say whether I remember the vet using the Hypercalcemia word or not. But, I know he did not mention the effects you did. Thank you for this. It makes me even sadder, but it is things I need to know. Seems you all here know more about boxers than the vet. Or, at least you all have real life experience that is boxer specific, which is what I need. Vets can tell you general dog stuff but they dont always know breeds as intimately as owners do.

It kills me to look at her when she's laying all curled up on the floor near me and see her body shiver/shake. I will be tryin to monitor if this is happening more often than not. My guess is then, that if this is dominating her time, it's probably time. Her temp seems normal.
 

sarah taylor

Boxer Booster
Just wanted to say how sorry i was to hear about sam, i haven't yet had to make that decision, jade our first boxer did that for us.
You will know when the time comes and my thoughts and prayers are with you at this sad time.
 
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