How do you keep boxers motivated?

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Jen

Boxer Booster
Any ideas on how to keep boxers motivated during agility class? D'Artagnan (who I would classify as ADHD) is sooo excited when we first get to class, but tunes out after about 25 minutes while we listen to the instructor and wait our turn to get on obstacles. After that, it's impossible to run sequences because he starts to wander.

Any ideas would be appreciated!
 

Krikkit

Boxer Insane
Hi Jen, it is hard to tell. What motivators are you using? How far along do you get when he starts to loose interest? How long has he been doing Agility?

A couple of suggestions - really rev him up before you run - get excited yourself. Another thing (which we had to do with Bella when we first started), was to take off across the paddock flat out when she lost interest and have a 'lets kill mummy' game. It did not take her all that long to really concentrate on us and what she was doing. Bella was the most unmotivated dog in agility I have ever seen and now she is really switched on and loves agility just for the sake of doing agility :)

Something else to try is to work on your 'here command' for the times he wanders. If you would like more info on this I'll post it. What does your instructor think about D'Artagnan? I think Ruben is ADHD as well :D A couple of dogs before it is our turn I have to get his attention, do a couple of tricks with him, and only then he is ready to go (I mainly do 'twist', weave him through my legs and roll over).
 

Jen

Boxer Booster
Krikkit - D'Artagnan has been involved in agility for almost six months. We've made it through beginning, intermediate and novice sequences, though barely squeaking by. I would have withheld him, but the class behind us has a lot more dogs in it than our current class (3 dogs). Our instructor is great and she goes pretty slowly on all the obstacles to be sure the dogs are confident on it before moving to the next step. I think D'Art got bored in the lower classes because we were going so slow.

D'Art is somewhat treat motivated, so good treats help, but only to a point. I'll take one of his toys (stuffed animal, squeaker, tennis ball on a rope, etc) and get him wound up in the beginning, but about half way through the class something else will gain his interest (smell, spectators, etc) and I can not regain his attention. I can bop him in the head with a stuffed animal, stand in front of him, take off running, and he can't refocus. We might as well go home at that time. When I referred to wandering, I guess I meant more mentally than physically. D'Art is pretty good off lead, but he does refuse obstacles when his mind wanders. I don't know if I would call it "refuse" or "doesn't pay attention."

Also, both of my dogs have a serious aversion to the tire. Any thoughts on why? Oh, and just to make you laugh, My husband handles our other dog, Helmut in the ring. Well, last night in class, (the dogs are not in the same class), Scott told Helmut to "Go Dog Walk." Helmut ran around it, and at the last minute decided he ought to get on the dog walk, and tried to jump up onto the middle of the long plank! But of course, even though it was only the small dog walk (4 feet hight), he couldn't jump up on it. It looked like he was trying to do a chin-up on the board before he fell off. He was pretty embarrassed and got sand all over his face, but did it correctly the next time! LOL! I guess he learned his lesson the hard way!
 

Krikkit

Boxer Insane
Originally posted by Jen
Helmut ran around it, and at the last minute decided he ought to get on the dog walk, and tried to jump up onto the middle of the long plank!

:LOL: That is funny Jen, Helmut sounds like he is all Boxer :LOL:

D'Artagnan may just be a little mentally immature at this stage - though this is a generalising - I have found the boys mature competition wise later than the girls. You may want to consider only working D'Artagnan for 20 minutes, and stopping before his mind wanders to leave him wanting more. Or doing 10 - 15 minutes, having half an hour break, then doing another 10 - 15 minutes. Of course this all depends on how your class is structured etc...

If he is a bit food motivated you could try going to a really, really great treat. We have a Kelpie in our advanced class who sounds similar to D'Artagnan. Her owner brought along raw liver and raw kidney as treats last week and the difference in her dog was amazing. She kept them is a strong plastic bag in her bumbag :LOL:

Something else to think of is your voice and body language (which you are probably doing anyway). A high pitched happy voice and very positive driven body language will keep dogs going for far longer time than a normal voice and ordinary body language. They can tell the minute we get a little frustrated and will switch off.

Re the Tyre - I had this problem with Layla - I caused the problem in the first place by pulling her through on the lead when we first started inadvertantly giving her a 'correction' which she associated with the tyre. Since then we have gone to starting agility with our kids totally off lead :) I also had a minor problem with Ruben, not that he had recieved any correction at the tyre, but because I pushed him too far, too fast before he was ready. The way we got around it was to go back to square one after having a few weeks break from doing the tyre at all. Have the trye at ground level, lure through with a tasty treat, and click (or praise), as soon as their nose passed through the tyre and then had a big 'party' as soon as they are through. I took it slowly and gradually moved the height up. I would stand one side and my husband the other and we took it in turns calling them through making a huge game of it. When we felt they were really confident we went to a sequence of jump, tyre, jump. If you have not already got one, having a tyre at home will really help get their confidence up on it. You may need to look at your body language near the tyre too - if you pull away even slightly chances are the dog will go with you, try to roll your shoulders towards the tyre and commit yourself as if you were actually going to do the tyre too while maintaining a straight run past it, which is easier said than done :) If they are driven to chase you could also try throwing one of their toys through the tyre so they go after it. Here are a couple of articles in training, building and trouble shooting the Tyre:

http://dogpatch.org/agility/FAQs/faqtire3.html

http://www.teleport.com/~helix/Agility/tire.htm

http://www.agilityability.com/jumps.htm

http://www.agilitynet.com/magazine/training/tyres.shtml

Clean Run magazine usually has some great articles on motivation, exercies and training tips, details are here:
http://www.cleanrun.com/index.cfm

It sounds as if both your boys are going really well :) Have fun - it is never boring doing agility with a Boxer.
 

Jen

Boxer Booster
Thanks Krikkit. Hehe...Helmut is definitely all boxer. :) He also learned the hard way why it is in his best interest to continue all the way down the A-Frame. He came over the top of the A-Frame at full speed and lept off, crashing to the ground. He was okay, but you could see the embarrasement on his face. The next time, he came all the way down and hit the contact zone like he's supposed to. Crazy dog!

I feel a little bit better from what you've said about maturity level. D'Art was a rescued boxer and we have always known that he is a little mentally slower than Helmut, even though they are the same age. I guess I should just slow down and give him a little extra time. I'm going to try your suggestion for taking breaks during class and see if that helps his motivation.

My problem with good treats is that sometimes he'll only focus on my hands and it takes me a minute to "prove" to him that I don't have a treat in my hand and get him refocused on the lesson. But it's obvious when we get to class how treat-motivated his is. On his good days, some really good liver treats may do the trick.
 

Ros Wilson

Boxer Pal
Boxer Motivation

Hi from Ros

Boxer Motivation is a hobby horse of mine - As an Obedience and
an Agility Instructor [ha ha] - I did not think it would be a problem
for me but as my latest Boxer Jessie has got older [ she is 6 ]
she has became less motivated.

I have tried becoming incredibly excited myself [ in her eyes] so
then she becomes excited too, works most times.

I always rev her up with some special toy or treat before the
starting line and physically pretend to hold her back as if we
were going to do flyball !!!

As we go around the course I talk to her about things that I
know excite her ie who is that ! Is that a gang of Robbers?
and other words that stimulate her into action like " far out !"
The joke of all this is that it is not necessarily what you say and
do - but how you say and do it , be very careful about the tone of your voice , make it incredibly exciting and interesting.

Do not overtrain your dog - too much can be a real overkill -
Dogs are human too you know that get sick of stuff or bored
just like we do LOL.

If you are training another dog take turns and trying letting one
dog out do the other it is worth it if it works

Good Luck

Ros Jessie and Gypsy
New Zealand
 
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