HELP- MY BOXER SHOWED US AGGRESSION!!

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NELIA1313

Boxer Buddy
I KNOW THIS IS LONG - BUT I'M FRIGHTENED. I HAVE 3 CHILDREN. COULD THIS BE A PROBLEM?

Help! Last night we took our 7 mth old to obedience class (his third). The last 2 lessons were amazing. We thought he was the smartest dog in the group. Well... last night, he was a nightmare - like he was possessed. When we got there, he was uncontrollable. Wouldn't listen, wouldn't sit down, didn't even realize we were around. His only goal was to forcefully try to socialize with the other dogs. If this was the first class, I'd be totally understanding. However, when we tried to make him listen (ie. sit, if he didn't, firmly press his tail to the floor), he actually growled and tried to bite my us. Never in the 7 months has he ever done this to us. We were actually frightened as we've never seen this side of him before. We left early because we didn't know what to do. Up until now he appeared to be the most gentle & loving dog possible. Never showed any aggression.

At first, we thought maybe he hurt his backside and it was extremely sensitive to touch, explaining his nipping when we tried to make him sit. Later, I checked, pressed everywhere, he didn't seem to respond. Then we thought maybe his collar. He is very difficult to walk, we tried the gentle leader, couldn't get him used to is then someone suggested a chain collar. We've tried that for the past week and it seemed ok but maybe at the lesson with all the other dogs, he was choking himself. Could this cause his personality change?

What we did notice was that when he did sit, he wouldn't turn his behind to us, he always had to be facing us. Was he scared of something? Could something have happened to him during the day to have caused him to be aggressive towards us? Could someone have hurt him? Teased him? Taunted him? Could this cause aggression?

A family member takes him to work about 3 times a week. It seemed to be going ok. We asked him if anything was different that day. He's not always around and Clyde is left in the company of his secretary and the other workers and I doubt he has much discipline. One of the other workers has a dog who also comes to the site. Apparently, this dog won't even come into the trailer office anymore because of Clyde's constant jumping and playing. He's slightly older. Understandable, we try to control him around other dogs and we've been pretty successful.

After we returned home, he was back to his normal self. Very passive, listened to all his commands. I even bathed him (he likes it, I thought it might relax him) and he rolled up beside (initially he tried to lay right on top of me- hasn't tried to do this since he was little). I just assumed he was a little cold and wanted to warm up. Anyway, he went to sleep beside me and has not shown that side of him since.

It was a true Jekyll & Mr. Hide. I can't explain it but I fear for my children.

Does anyone have any advice as to what may have happened to him? We stopped him from going to the site and we've thrown his chain collar away. I really do need to feel good about him again. We chose a boxer because every book we ever read mentioned how gentle they were with children.

Your help (again) greatly appreciated.
 
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dpasto

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What did you do when Clyde growled? Did you give him a firm correction? He needs to realize that you (and your family) are the alpha. My girl Darcy will get grumpy when she is tired. If anyone touches her she will growl and occasionally nip evilicon . I NEVER let get away with this behavior nonoicon . I pull on her cheek and give her a firm no then continue to pet her letting her know the I will stop on my terms. I can not explain what may have happened to cause this behavior change. He may just be testing his limits and seeing if he can work his way up the ladder. When my Darcy started to get older she tried to maneuver her way up the doggy chain and push Killian, my male, around. Good luck and be firm. Sometimes we (and I am very guilty of this) baby our little fur kids so much that we forget they are pack animals and require some discipline.
 

muttersley

Completely Boxer Crazy
Valid point. Most dogs will go 'deaf' where there is a bitch in season.
Take him out again in the prescence of other dogs and see how he responds to you then. I can't really give much advice on this as my dog is gentle as a lamb with people although she doesn't like strange dogs.
Don't write him off just yet, try him again but as I have 3 kids myself I understand what you mean, you have to trust 100%. Let me know how you get on and it will be interesting to read what others advise.
 

Eva

Boxer Booster
Dpasto has great points. Kaiser has tested his limits w/me in the past, esp. when he is very tired. I never ever let him get away w/it, and I firmly correct him. He hasn't tried to challenge me in months :) I have only had him for less than a year too, so in a way Kaiser's situation can be related to yours...waited for a awhile before he tested the boundaries w/me. Just be firm if he tries this again, and do not get scared...he will sense that! Remember, you are the alpha, and alpha have to remind everyone else every so often that they are in charge.

As for a female dog being in heat, that may be a valid point too...I have no personal experience there. Fixing your dog doesn't completely eliminate all instinctual behavior, esp. sexual, in all dogs, so keep that in mind too.

Good luck!

Eva
 

NELIA1313

Boxer Buddy
If there was a bitch in heat at the class, wouldn't this affect any of the other males?

I realize we probably didn't handle it as best we could. We were in a room with a lot of other poeple and neither my husband or myself felt comfortable disciplining him so publicly. This was so new to us and we were just so astounded by his behaviour. I will discuss this with our traniner next week but in the meantime what would be the appropriate way to discipline him? I want to shut this down as quickly as I can.

Again, thanks sooo much!
 

Eva

Boxer Booster
Everyone does this diff, but I try to act like an alpha dog would. I firmly grasp Kaiser's ears in my hands while pressing the sides of my hands to his head, so I have his face in my control. I get in his face, like the alpha dog might do, and say "No Kaiser! Bad dog!" I might even growl at him. I stare right into his eyes while doing this, like an alpha dog would. I hold him for a few moments, and them I let go, but if he is on the couch or something (HIS spot) I make him get off for while, and I continue to talk in a low voice. It works great! Like I said, he hasn't challenged me in quite some time. You just cannot be scared of your dog at all though.

Good luck!

Eva

[Edited by Eva on 04-19-2001 at 05:23 PM]
 

NELIA1313

Boxer Buddy
Any more ideas on how to dicipline your furbaby?

You know, I tried to do that while at obedience class but he had no desire to listen. He became more aggressive instead. That's why we left early.

If anyone else has any great disciplining tricks, I'd love to hear them.

Thanks.
 
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Brenda & Jeff

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Our Sheba has developed a great deal of agression, although she does listen to us, we have had to pull her off of Duke when he was sick once (we thing the smell of the "gunk" coming out of his nose was bothering her)

Anyway, not only would a female in heat cause a problem, but as you said some experience might have done the trick - something different in the class - were you in a different spot than usual - gosh it could be the simplest thing and as he is still young the hormones, etc. might be kicking in.

I would not worry too much as the behavior did not occur at home and that is important. He may need additional socialization besides obedience class (class is that, structured, maybe some play time with others his own age - not the "older" dog you mentioned).

Keep a keen eye on him for a while and try to use a diary to note different behaviors, reactions to scents, etc. I find that helps to think of something that normally you might not notice.

Also, contact the trainer before next week!! explain what happened and your feelings and they may have some suggestions.

Oh, and remember that the dog picks up on your vibes, if you are distressed so is he. Don't ever panic cause so will he.

I hope this helped, it is mostly my opinion as I am not a trainer, but good luck & keep us posted

Brenda
 
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