Heartworm Medicine

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alisonCO

Boxer Booster
"even if I recommended heartworms preventive I wouldn't recommend that one!!"

JulieM - can I ask what you do recommend? The reason I ask is that a few monthes ago I believe that you said a more holistic approach to heartworm is to test twice a year. I have a holistic vet who has been in practice for 25 years here is Colorado. He said he has only seem 1 case of heartworm and that was from a dog that had just moved. I am concerned about the heartworm meds and am trying to research other alternatives (one being testing more often). I would appreciate any thoughts you or anyone else has.

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boxerma

Super Boxer
Oh my! That is awful. Those poor dogs. Just goes to show that not everything some of our vets recommend is the right thing. That is why I started Bing on the dailies, I figured if anything went wrong, he'd only have a small dose in him rather than a months worth. But the most recent vet stated that the monthly only stays in their system one day also, it just kills different stages of the worms. I hate it and look forward to winter when I don't give it to him. I just feel awful for those dogs that had to suffer such awful things. It just has always seemed like such wicked medicine to me. Heartworm is pretty prevalent in Michigan but my Aunt in California doesn't give her Boxer the preventative at all.
 

JulieM

Boxer Insane
What do I recommend? A natural diet, clean pure water, a bare minimum of 15 minutes of sunshine daily, physical and mental stimulation, a positive environment, and a deep and loving relationship with the owner. And heartworm testing yearly - twice yearly if you're in a hot spot (SE US). Also, garlic internally for overall health and brewer's yeast (or garlic juice diluted in water if you can take the smell) on the coat to ward off mosquitoes.

Dr. Martin Goldstein's book, The Nature of Animal Healing, goes into this in quite a bit of detail if you're interested.

As for Colorado - there must be 30 consecutive days of temperatures above 57 degrees F for heartworms to be transmitted. From the averages, I don't think that happens very often, which would account for the low incidence.

This is not to say that healthy dogs won't *get* heartworms - but they will be able to deal with them on their own. It's very common for dogs to have various stages of heartworms in their systems at any time. In a truly healthy dog, they will not progress to the point of a problem.

As for Michigan - I too have heard that heartworm is "prevalent" - but as of today conditions still have not been such that heartworms are able to be transmitted - so why give preventives? Especially if, as you say, the medicine is only in the system one day! And, I haven't been able to find out what "prevalent" really is. If you have stats, please let me know!

On an e-mail list I'm on, one person in MI mentioned her vet (I think in Jackson) saw 3 cases of heartworm last year. Hm. This vet sees probably 50 dogs a day, we'll say she saw these in a 3 month period (although most MI vets recommend preventive for at least 6 months, some year-round if you can believe that), we won't count weekends which should even out with the repeat dogs, and that's 3000 dogs she saw. That's .001% of dogs infected with heartworm. Hardly what I'd call "prevalent."

Also keep in mind that heartworm medications account for 4 of the top 10 reported adverse drug reactions (Rimadyl being the far and away #1). I've posted about that elsewhere on the board.
 
I just ordered 6 months supply of Sentinel..Draco was on heartgard previously. Sentinel prevents heartworm and controls the flea population. And is effective against fleas, adult hookworm, roundworms and whipworms.
 

boxerma

Super Boxer
I guess what I meant by prevalent, is the fact that I keep up with a lot of rescue dogs in the midwest region, and a consideralbe amount of them come up heartworm positive. No, these aren't healthy dogs like you mention, but they are dogs that can by way of mosquito infect your healthy dog. It's not that I don't listen to my vet, I just go by what I have observed in reality and make a decision from there. I hate giving the medication quite a bit but feel I just can't trust not to. Even when I thought I was doing the right thing by giving him what I saw as a less dangerous pill, the daily ones, you should have seen t he vets put up a fuss about giving me this. I even had one try and give me expired pills. I am a huge fan of natural methods and try to do those first when anything is wrong. I have been to several vets that recommend yearly treatment and I just can't understand that. Seems they will do that if you are standing in their office on a 5 degree day in the middle of February.

I'm curious where you got the information that a healthy animal can take care of heartworms on thier own? I guess I don't know why I would like to take the chance. Seems a pretty awful way to die. I think everyone would rather not have vacinations for their dogs or children but sometimes we have to chose the best of the worst and since vet medicine only goes so far, our choices are usually slim. Sorry, I don't have any "stats" to offer you to prove my prevalent point, I guess one is enough to spread it to quite a few, and if you are one of those standing in the vets office for a life threatening disease, it seems no fun to me.
 

iluvboxers

Super Boxer
My vet is still researching the 6 month shot for heart worms. I think a lot depends upon where you live! I live in florida and my dogs are going to get heartworm medicine, We see a lot of heartworms here and at the shelters almost every animal that comes in has heartworms. The Boxer rescue here has them treated before being released. You can get the frontline spray from your vet. I pay 12.50 but get a huge discount so may be around 20.00. I have a cat that has taken up residence in my drive way and she was loaded. I only spray a small amount on my animals about every three months or if I see a flea. We have healthy animals but have sand fleas and a ton of stray cats. Florida is the tropics and we have icky bugs. I only take the dogs out for short periods right now and spray this origins natural spray on them to help keep the bugs off them. They are bad because of all the rain from Barry. You have to do what you feel is right. Because I feed limited ingredient diet, venison and potato they say to use just heartgard. I have a fecal test done twice a year to check for any other parasites but have never had any problems.
 

Sabrina Jay

Boxer Insane
I buy the Frontline Spray at my vets office, its something they stock all the time.

In our area (Midwest)......we (as in rescue), have been running 95 % - 100% HW Positive on dogs that are strays. Preventative is a MUST here.
 

michellekearley

Boxer Buddy
Heartworm

I give "Baxter" ProHeart SR12, a once a year shot. I do not know how effective it is as it has only been in Australia for about 6 months but I do know that he has not had any sort of bad reaction to it. It costs me about $70- $80 AUD for it which is really about the same price as HeartGuard but so much more convenient.


Baxter - 3 1/2 year old beautiful flashy fawn (my little devil man) evilicon caricon (he is all of these to me)lovicon angelicon fiestaicon
 

Kathleen

Boxer Booster
When we got Sega a month ago from Boxer Rescue, we had the vet give him the Proheart shot. He didn't have any reaction to it at all and it was very comparable in cost to the pills. I just figured that it was one less pill/medication to remember to give him at the first of the month for me. We still do the Frontline liquid drops for the fleas/ticks once a month......and yes Florida has a TON of icky bugs for animals. We only have two seasons here.....summer and Christmas Day!!! :D .....so we don't have any kind of reprieve from the little monsters.
 

JulieM

Boxer Insane
Shelter dogs absolutely have a higher percentage of heartworm in the general population. No question. I am talking about normal dogs that are healthy, well-fed, and cared for. And, I should have noted in my earlier post about prevention, chemical-free.

Let's take a look at the likelihood of heartworm infestation occuring. There are over 3,000 varieties of mosquitos. Of these, approximately 70 species have been identified as capable of transmitting heartworms. East of the Mississippi, where heartworm cases are most prevalent, only 16 of the 70 species are known to exist. In Florida where the climate is conducive to year-round mosquitoes, only 11 of these 16 species are found in abundance. For a mosquito to transmit heartworm it must first feed on an infected dog - a task in and of itself given the widespread use of heartworm preventive. Then it takes 30 days at the right temperatures before the ingested microfilariae develop into 3rd stage infective larvae, which is the stage at which it is transmittable to the dog. Guess what the average lifespan is of a female mosquito (the only one that feeds on blood meals) is? Three to four WEEKS! So the timing has to be absolutely perfect for the complete cycle of heartworm transmission to occur. When a dog is fed upon by a heartworm carrying mosquito, it takes about 70-90 days before the worms reach young adulthood and migrate to the heart. For unknown reasons, the percentage of infective third-stage larvae that reach maturity vary in different breeds of dogs. It is only after adult worms mate and start to discharge tiny motile microfilariae that circulate in the blood that disease becomes apparent. Microfilariae appear in the blood about 200 days after infection. It is important to note that heartworm tests are based on the detection of microfilariae (heartworms can also be detected by xrays). These larvae MUST be picked back up by another mosquito and re-injected into another host to mature into adults.

This is one reason yearly testing is essential - if the dog is infected in August, testing in March or April will reveal the infection before it is too extreme. If you're in a higher-risk climate, or if you decide not to use preventive, twice-yearly testing may be indicated.

Also, Despite the high use of heartworm preventative drugs, the rate of heartworm across the US is the same as it was in 1982 according to C.J. Puotenin in The Encyclopedia of Natural Pet Care.

The information that dogs can combat heartworms on their own comes from Martin Goldstein, DVM and Don Hamilton, DVM - and the many people - breeders - on the mailing lists I'm on who have not given heartworm preventives for DECADES and have NEVER had a case of heartworm in their dogs. At least one of these breeders is in South Carolina, where they have climates that are very hospitable to heartworm infestation. Also from Richard Pitcairn, DVM, who notes that wild animals such as coyotes don't die from heartworm, but develop a mild infestation, then become immune.

Yearly or twice-yearly testing will detect the worms before they are a problem, and homeopathic treatment is effective and safe (far safer than the arsenic treatment allopathic vets use). IMO, the chances of my dogs contracting and then succumbing to heartworm are far more slim than the chances of them having and adverse reaction to the heartworm preventives. Again per C.J. Puotenin, the American Veterinary Medical Association has reported that 65% of the adverse drug reactions it monitors and nearly half of all drug-related deaths are caused by heartworm
prevention medicine. Heartworm is curable - major kidney damage from the preventive is not.
 
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