Head tremors... nutrition related?

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GoCougs

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jazzyboxer said:
I would very much appreciate any information on the foods you were using and then changed to...we are having the same problem with Jazz sporadically.

As I said in an earlier post, I don't believe that the tremors are related to type of diet or quality of food. I do believe it is related to diet, and my evidence has been that it is a blood sugar issue. I just don't know for sure.


douma said:
I'm 100% sure that her problem is due to kibbles and it's not low sugar problem

If your girl has this problem when eating kibble, but not raw, it could be allergy related, or something else. Kibble as a cause is just entirely too broad. I would venture a guess that it has more to do with an intolerance to something in the commercial kibble you fed, and not just kibble itself.


I don't know for certain whether it's allergy, blood sugar, or what....but the common denominator keeps coming back to diet in one form or another. Everyone I spoke to about this, either on BW or in RL have said that their boxers with tremors all have an "eating disorder" (for lack of a better term) in one form or another.
 

Debbie2166

Boxer Pal
More info on head tremors

My female Sasha also experiences head tremors, I have had her tested for almost everything from tick diseases to thyroid. My vet then suggested that I have her see a nuerologist (at $200 for 15 Mins) (nothing too good for my little girl) she told me that there has been studies done on many breeds that they find that have had this problem. She told me it is also common in English Bulldogs. She said that these tremors are nothing more than behavioral ticks. Like a dog that would chase its tail. She asked me how do I react when this tremor happens. I told her what do you think, I pick her up like a little baby and try to destract her. She suggested to not do any thing but ignore them.

As hard as it was I tried to ignore them (and some of them are bad, as long as 3 minutes) It doesnt seem to effect them. Sasha doesnt have a prblem with eating as some of you have suggested. Her treat is often a spoonful of peanut butter (she loves it). It doesnt stop them. I cant believe that this tremor problem is a behavioral tick. But in Sasha case doesnt seem to be related to food either????

HELP!
 

douma

Boxer Insane
GoCougs said:
If your girl has this problem when eating kibble, but not raw, it could be allergy related, or something else. Kibble as a cause is just entirely too broad. I would venture a guess that it has more to do with an intolerance to something in the commercial kibble you fed, and not just kibble itself.
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Months ago i had found on web an info regarding kibbles and they said that in most dry foods they put a drug which they use in surgery(something like anaesthetic).I suppose that this is our case,because as i said before Avra hasn't problem eating Eagle pack Holictic
 

douma

Boxer Insane
Debbie2166 said:
My female Sasha also experiences head tremors, I have had her tested for almost everything from tick diseases to thyroid. My vet then suggested that I have her see a nuerologist (at $200 for 15 Mins) (nothing too good for my little girl) she told me that there has been studies done on many breeds that they find that have had this problem. She told me it is also common in English Bulldogs. She said that these tremors are nothing more than behavioral ticks. Like a dog that would chase its tail. She asked me how do I react when this tremor happens. I told her what do you think, I pick her up like a little baby and try to destract her. She suggested to not do any thing but ignore them.

As hard as it was I tried to ignore them (and some of them are bad, as long as 3 minutes) It doesnt seem to effect them. Sasha doesnt have a prblem with eating as some of you have suggested. Her treat is often a spoonful of peanut butter (she loves it). It doesnt stop them. I cant believe that this tremor problem is a behavioral tick. But in Sasha case doesnt seem to be related to food either????

HELP!
I have never heard something like that.
When Avra started the epicode we threw her tennis ball she was runing to cach it and at the same time,was shaking her head.Also when we ignore her she was still shaking.

"Head Tremors: The condition is usually called "Benign Head Tremors of Dobermans," but can also affect other breeds (especially English Bull Dogs). It is characterized by a rhythmic, side-to-side, up and down, or rolling motion to the head. One interesting thing is that this tremor does NOT appear to be neurologic* in origin, and during an episode, the dog can be distracted out of it (unlike a seizure). The tremors usually occur when the dog is at rest. Tests such as MRIs, CT scans, CSF taps, x-rays, blood work...are normal. The condition does not respond to the common anti-seizure medicines. The current thinking is that these head tremors are a movement disorder, and may be related to obsessive-compulsive disorder in humans. (As a side note, humans are also known to have a type of benign head tremor--cause unknown, treatment unknown.) It is theorized that serotonin uptake inhibitors like "Clomicalm" may help with this condition, but the general consensus is that it is usually not serious enough to warrant placing the dog on long-term meds. Some dogs "outgrow" the problem, some have it their whole lives. The good news is that it does not usually get worse, or progress to more serious problems. It is not known if this is genetic or familial.

The above information is here courtesy of Judi Vogt—a member of the Doberworld-L mailing list. She further wrote that information on this is very difficult to come by and that apparently there are no studies. Since it is benign in nature, this is not surprising. My thanks to Judi for allowing me to include the results of her personal research on this page. *It has not been established for certain what causes this, so neurologic dysfunction cannot be ruled out without proper testing.

Possible causes that should be looked for are epilepsy, trauma, toxins, inflammation, congenital defects, immune mediated problems, degenerative disease and drug reactions. In a puppy the vet should consider congenital abnormality and in a young adult, toxin exposure"
 

jray

Boxer Insane
Oskar has been on EaglePack since about 4 months old and have never had any problems. I hope you can find out what causing these episodes.
 

Debbie2166

Boxer Pal
Tremors

Thank you for passing that information on. I dont think we are ever going to know for sure, and like was said before, Sasha can not be destracted out of it either.

I think these head tremors bother us a lot more than they bother our Boxers. None of us want to see our babies in pain and it doesnt seem to be painful in Sasha's case. It does always happen when she is at rest. I hope we can eventually find out for sure what these are. I feel a lot better knowing that she is not the only one that is experiencing this. (I dont wish this on anyone).

Any further information on this that anyone may have would be appreciated.
 

DEBBIF

Boxer Buddy
Hi,
My boxer Niki had the head tremors. It started when he was about 2 yrs. old
it would only last about a minute then stop & scare me to death. Then he wouldn't have one for months. They were very sporiac. the longest one he had lasted about 5 minutes. Niki was a very good eater and he only had dry food (we tried all types)and people food. I never found out what caused them and my vet at the time wanted to see him when it happened, but by the time you get him there it stopped. My new boxer hasn't shown any sign and hopefully will not.
 

Justalyke

Boxer Buddy
Head Tremors

I am so happy I found this site and thread!
I think these tremors definatley DO upset us more than our boxers =>
My Savion is also a picky eater and seems to have a very sensitive stomach. I never thought to look at the eating habits in conjunction with the tremors, but when he plays hard he generally does not eat as well. He eats Eukanuba Lamb and Rice and gets no table scraps at all except peanut butter in his "Kong". He is 2 yrs. old March 8th and he had a lot of trouble as a young puppy he was the runt and barely made it. He is very healthy and happy now, except for the tremors. I have personally witnessed him having about 12, they started about a year ago. FYI: They seem to come after long "play days" when he is very tired and always happen when he is at rest and usually last from 1 to 10 minutes. They become almost violent whenever he lifts his head or is using his neck muscles more. I have tried "exciting" him out of it, ignoring him out of it and consoling him out of it, none of these worked. However, when I gently press his head to the bed (of course he is on the bed!) as if I were trying to hold his head still and pet him back to sleep, they always stop. Just thought I would give my input since there seems to be very little out there about these events.
 

GoCougs

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Annie also has her tremors when she is either waking from a nap, or just laying down for one. There is certainly a connection there as well. She is a show dog, and I worry everytime I'm in the ring that she'll have an episode, and that I'll have to excuse myself. However, I've never seen one of these when she was "up".

As far as toxins in kibble, as suggested by douma, I currently feed a food (Innova EVO) which is free of the additives. Annie had an episode last Sunday after a show when she missed a meal. I'm not discounting your experience at all. It could in fact by the introduction, or lack of, certain compounds into the body that cause this.

Possible causes that should be looked for are epilepsy, trauma, toxins, inflammation, congenital defects, immune mediated problems, degenerative disease and drug reactions. In a puppy the vet should consider congenital abnormality and in a young adult, toxin exposure

I've seen all of this. It's all speculative, just like my theory. :D We may never know, but if the doctors won't do anything about it because it's "benign" then we as owners need to take the initiative to do everything we can to find the cause.
 

Debbie2166

Boxer Pal
Great Feedback!

It seems to be the concensus that these "episodes" are happening when they are at rest. Atleast there is something in common with all of them. As far as the suggestion of pressing on the back of the neck, I have to agree that when Sasha is having them and I pick her up in my arms, the back of her neck resting on my arm does seem to help them. When I move her neck, relieving the pressure from the back, the tremor seems to continue. That may be a suggestion for everyone that is experiencing these to try during an "episode".

I thank everyone again for there input, maybe together we may be able to find a way to make these a little easier on ourselves. I will pay attention to every last detail the next time Sasha is having one. Maybe I can shed more light on the subject.

Thanks Again!
 
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