He won't stop peeing in cage

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apollosdad

Boxer Insane
closing in the crate would be a great idea. just by what you've written in previous posts, i am trying to place a mental picture of your set up. if you are leaving puppy pee pads in the crate, than i am assuming that you are also allowing room for the peed pad AND room for dog to lie down. if so, this is where you are going wrong. the whole principle of crate training is to only provide them with enough space to lie down and sit in, nothing more. this way their instinct of not wanting to lie in feces will kick in and they will begin to hold it in. if you do not set up the crate properly and provide your pup with the correct environment, then you are basically setting him up for failure. by placing pee pads in the crate you are now teaching him that you want him to pee in his crate. dogs cannot differentiate between it being okay to pee on the pad and inside his crate now and then after a few weeks expect him to know not to pee in the crate even if the pad is no longer there. if you are worried about him lying in the urine, then unfortunately that is something that your puppy will have to correct itself and thus begin grasping the principle of "if i pee in here, i'm going to have to lay in it, so i'm going to try to hold it".
by you attempting to comfort your pet and provide him with a place to pee in so he won't have to lie in it, you are actually adding to the problem and not solving it.
1) take the pee pads out
2) decrease the room in his crate to only allow for him to lie down and sit in
3) place him on a potty training schedule and start out by allowing him to relieve himself every 2-3 hours, or whatever is necessary.
4) log his progress to see if he is improving or not.
again, leaving the pee pads in there is increasing his confusion and is not helping him with grasping the concept.
there will be mistakes and clean ups will have to be performed, but that is to be expected. at times your pup might seem that he is catching on and then might have an accident, BUT that is okay. be patient. be consistent. praise him appropriately and you should be on your way in no time.
 

jbiel

Boxer Booster
Apollo, I don't thank you and everyone else for all the insight and help everyone has given.

I will snap some pictures tonight of how his cage has been setup and how it will be after I modify it.
 

jbiel

Boxer Booster
jbiel said:
Apollo, I don't thank you and everyone else for all the insight and help everyone has given.

I will snap some pictures tonight of how his cage has been setup and how it will be after I modify it.

Err, I meant I don't know how to to thank you and everyone else. LOL
 

JulieC

Boxer Pal
jbiel said:
I tried a new approach today and left nothing in the cage other than his chew toys. We left the house at 8am and I came home at about 12:30... to a cage full of pee.

I cannot fathom why he does it. He does not care if he has to lay in it, which is what boggles me more. It doesn't seem to bother him at all. I would take the route of using a blanket and such, but the cost of having to wash them daily would go through the roof. If I rotated multiple towels, having to store the soiled towels would allow a nasty smell to develope.

I am losing hope and running out of options and it's scaring me. I don't want this to come to us having to get rid of Zeus, but if something doesn't happen soon, we will have to. It sadden's me to think that though.

I am open to any all options. Zeus is going to the vet on Thursday to have his manhood removed, but I doubt that will help.


Okay, here’s my 2 cents worth as an owner of an older rescued girl who is also medically incontinent.

Removing the bedding is a great place to start; it has worked well for me in the past. You need to give it more than one day though so he can actually learn the consequences of it. He’s not going to go into his crate realizing because you removed the bedding there is nothing to soak up the pee, thus making him not pee that day. The may have to pee on himself for a week before he understands the cause and effect. Stick with it and he’ll probably figure it out. Baths every night are not fun, believe me I know, but there is a light at the end of the tunnel!

Also, a change in MY schedule means a change in Noel’s routine, which throws her world into a total tailspin. I took a week off in-between jobs, and after I went back to work she peed in her crate every day for 3 weeks. I’d go home over lunch and she’d already be in pee, it takes patience and consistency to get them through it. After a few weeks I started coming home midday later, then less often until she was back to herself. You may have an ultra-sensitive guy that really needs the stability of a very routine schedule. Something to think about anyhow.

Checking for an UTI is the way to go. In addition I would suggest a urine culture to check for bacteria growth and a urine concentration test. If Zeus has a low ability to concentrate his urine, than that will explain why he can’t hold it for long periods of time.

Also don't make a big deal out coming and going. Put him in his crate and walk away. When you get home (pee or no pee) simply open up the door and put him outside right away. If he's anticipating you coming home and making a big fuss over him, he may be working himself up into a tissy. Again it may take a while for him to make the connection.

Good luck, hopefully the vet can come up with something for you. I know how frustrating it can be, but you have to love them for what they are.
 

ARCHANGLBXRS

Boxer Pal
Help is on the way

Hey I am only 30-45 minutes away from you! I groom, board, rescue, and am a trainer soley to boxers! Send me an email and call me I will meet with you and your baby to help fix the problem. You can even bring him to my home and drop him off while you work!
 

jbiel

Boxer Booster
To give an update:

We moved Zeus down to a smaller crate and he has been doing AWESOME. Even without pee pads. We are still coming home on our lunch breaks, but we are not finding any pee @ lunch or when we come home at 3-4pm.

We are going to try to start extending our window before we come home and hopefully we can get him to a point where we do not need to come home during the day.

Amber,
Where are you located? We may get in touch with you for some one on one training.
 
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