half american half euro?
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I have no idea if its good or not. It would depend on what they mean by "euro". Obviously, it is not a term used in Europe - a Euro, of course, being currency. People in Europe call boxers boxers 
Possibly with the country of origin appended (but rarely). LOL - using a ridiculous term like "euro boxer" here would be very much like someone saying a "dollar boxer" and leaving the uninitiated wondering which country's currency they were referring to
That may sound like its splitting hairs, but it really is NOT. The continent of Europe is a big place, with a great many different countries within or near it. There is absolutely no comparison between the mass puppy mills of Poland, Hungary or Ireland and some of the top kennels in Germany, for example. Even without mills in the equation (though you'd be foolish to ignore those - as that is where the vast majority of so-called "euro" pups exported to North America originate from), there are as many differences - and similarities - between boxers bred in different European countries as there are between those dogs and the ones bred in North America. Russia would be different again (though debatably not Europe anyway), and further typical differences exist in those bred in the South, such as Spain.
In short - 9 times out of 10, the mere mention of the gimmick-phrase "euro" boxer would have me running for cover (or another breeder). Before writing it off out of hand though, it is probably worth finding out exactly where the so-called euro dog actually came from. If its somewhere where you cannot check (don't have the language skills to check) the paperwork of the dog OR if it comes from a country where puppy mills are rife, then I'd pass. If you can determine that it has actually come from a reputable kennel, then maybe things are a bit different. Whatever the outcome, don't let yourself be swayed by the marketing hype, which you appear to be getting in large doses
Possibly with the country of origin appended (but rarely). LOL - using a ridiculous term like "euro boxer" here would be very much like someone saying a "dollar boxer" and leaving the uninitiated wondering which country's currency they were referring to That may sound like its splitting hairs, but it really is NOT. The continent of Europe is a big place, with a great many different countries within or near it. There is absolutely no comparison between the mass puppy mills of Poland, Hungary or Ireland and some of the top kennels in Germany, for example. Even without mills in the equation (though you'd be foolish to ignore those - as that is where the vast majority of so-called "euro" pups exported to North America originate from), there are as many differences - and similarities - between boxers bred in different European countries as there are between those dogs and the ones bred in North America. Russia would be different again (though debatably not Europe anyway), and further typical differences exist in those bred in the South, such as Spain.
In short - 9 times out of 10, the mere mention of the gimmick-phrase "euro" boxer would have me running for cover (or another breeder). Before writing it off out of hand though, it is probably worth finding out exactly where the so-called euro dog actually came from. If its somewhere where you cannot check (don't have the language skills to check) the paperwork of the dog OR if it comes from a country where puppy mills are rife, then I'd pass. If you can determine that it has actually come from a reputable kennel, then maybe things are a bit different. Whatever the outcome, don't let yourself be swayed by the marketing hype, which you appear to be getting in large doses
KellyJay
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ok so here is the email I got from the breeder maybe this info will help, what do you think?
I own Both the sire and dam .
your welcome to come meet them if you'd like.
xxx has been breeding this week with xxx.
the puppies will be sold as companion pet starting at $1000
the sire "xxx"is imported euro boxer with a Gorgeous head and great temperment.Brocks dam(mother) is a world champion .
the dam is american with some champions in her pedigree.
I sell all my puppies at a really really reasonable price for the quality 1/2 Euro 1/2 American puppies to make them affordable to everyone.
This is a part of her website that mentions "euro" I hope it's ok to put this here i just would like your input.
My Male is a Gorgeous Euro Boxer with German and Spanish bloodlines.The sire's Dam is _______,SHE IS A MULTI CHAMPION IN PERU,COLUMBIA,ARGENTINA + AMERICA,SHE IS ALSO A FCI WORLD CHAMPION.The sire is 70 lbs at a year old and still growing.He has a Awesome head and is HIGHLY Intellagent.
Thanks
I own Both the sire and dam .
your welcome to come meet them if you'd like.
xxx has been breeding this week with xxx.
the puppies will be sold as companion pet starting at $1000
the sire "xxx"is imported euro boxer with a Gorgeous head and great temperment.Brocks dam(mother) is a world champion .
the dam is american with some champions in her pedigree.
I sell all my puppies at a really really reasonable price for the quality 1/2 Euro 1/2 American puppies to make them affordable to everyone.
This is a part of her website that mentions "euro" I hope it's ok to put this here i just would like your input.
My Male is a Gorgeous Euro Boxer with German and Spanish bloodlines.The sire's Dam is _______,SHE IS A MULTI CHAMPION IN PERU,COLUMBIA,ARGENTINA + AMERICA,SHE IS ALSO A FCI WORLD CHAMPION.The sire is 70 lbs at a year old and still growing.He has a Awesome head and is HIGHLY Intellagent.
Thanks
Doesn't give enough information to have any idea what she means. But actually, I wouldn't bother too much about it, because there is a bigger problem and it is this:
No dog should be used for breeding at only a year of age. That is a puppy, not an adult. Of course he's still growing :rolleyes: The reason this is a major problem isn't just ethics in breeding from babies, it is a problem because this dog CANNOT have been screened for genetic diseases common to boxers. We know this without any shadow of doubt, because many of the most important screening tests cannot give a definitive result on puppies under 24 months of age. This dog is nowhere near that minimum age.
And without that screening, he should not be bred - and I certainly wouldn't recommend buying from someone irresponsible enough to be using unscreened animals as breeding stock. We're not talking about small problems here - we're talking about serious issues such as aortic/subaortic stenosis, cardiomyopathy and hip dysplasia. The former two of which are serious heart problems that can cause sudden death - or alternatively, very expensive lifelong treatment (as can the latter). All, if not fatal, are significantly debilitating (to the dog's quality of life, and to your wallet in funding it).
Presumably the dam has not been screened either, so you've got a pretty big risk there in buying from this person - who is certainly not what would qualify as a responsible breeder.
If you're interested, there is more information on the health issues that ALL breeders should be screening breeding dogs for PRIOR to ever using them for breeding - including a link to the American Boxer Club's recommended screening programme: http://www.boxerworld.com/forums/view_boxer-dog-health-testing.htm
And some idea of the probable consequences of not insisting on that screening: http://www.boxerworld.com/forums/choosing-breeder/76541-backyard-breeding-consequences.html
Bottom line is that it doesn't matter where the dog comes from, or what buzz-words and gimmicks the breeder can produce. It means squat if they're not even able to give a reasonable assurance of producing healthy puppies from proven healthy adults. I would look for another breeder.
No dog should be used for breeding at only a year of age. That is a puppy, not an adult. Of course he's still growing :rolleyes: The reason this is a major problem isn't just ethics in breeding from babies, it is a problem because this dog CANNOT have been screened for genetic diseases common to boxers. We know this without any shadow of doubt, because many of the most important screening tests cannot give a definitive result on puppies under 24 months of age. This dog is nowhere near that minimum age.
And without that screening, he should not be bred - and I certainly wouldn't recommend buying from someone irresponsible enough to be using unscreened animals as breeding stock. We're not talking about small problems here - we're talking about serious issues such as aortic/subaortic stenosis, cardiomyopathy and hip dysplasia. The former two of which are serious heart problems that can cause sudden death - or alternatively, very expensive lifelong treatment (as can the latter). All, if not fatal, are significantly debilitating (to the dog's quality of life, and to your wallet in funding it).
Presumably the dam has not been screened either, so you've got a pretty big risk there in buying from this person - who is certainly not what would qualify as a responsible breeder.
If you're interested, there is more information on the health issues that ALL breeders should be screening breeding dogs for PRIOR to ever using them for breeding - including a link to the American Boxer Club's recommended screening programme: http://www.boxerworld.com/forums/view_boxer-dog-health-testing.htm
And some idea of the probable consequences of not insisting on that screening: http://www.boxerworld.com/forums/choosing-breeder/76541-backyard-breeding-consequences.html
Bottom line is that it doesn't matter where the dog comes from, or what buzz-words and gimmicks the breeder can produce. It means squat if they're not even able to give a reasonable assurance of producing healthy puppies from proven healthy adults. I would look for another breeder.
Mader
Boxer Booster
We see the same problem with Rottweilers, these people spend lots of money for a German dog, and then they think they have a right to charge ridiculous amounts for puppies.
First off, I think the price of the puppy, is reflected on the experience of the breeder.
Do they belong and uphold ethics of a club?
Are the parents health checked?
How many litters have they had?
Do they have past puppy buys for you to contact for testimonials?
Are they recommended by their peers?
If they don't answer to all of these questions, find one that does...
First off, I think the price of the puppy, is reflected on the experience of the breeder.
Do they belong and uphold ethics of a club?
Are the parents health checked?
How many litters have they had?
Do they have past puppy buys for you to contact for testimonials?
Are they recommended by their peers?
If they don't answer to all of these questions, find one that does...
I think the reason they call it a Euro boxer is simply because some of the physical differences that can be seen, not talking about health or anything, just simply they have different physical characteristics. I think the head looks a little different then an American boxer, they are definitely different then my American boxer.
But very true about breeding, no breed should be thinking about puppies before their second year. Typically this would be puppy mills and people in it for a profit rather then betterment of the breed.
But very true about breeding, no breed should be thinking about puppies before their second year. Typically this would be puppy mills and people in it for a profit rather then betterment of the breed.
I just brought my new boxer puppy home August 1st. I researched extensively after losing my 10 year old boxer to cancer in March. What I found out was there are some breeders who are bringing in the European bloodlines because they have shown less of an occurance of cancer than the North American bloodlines. They will be quick to tell you that there are no guarantees but they do extensive health testing and look not only at the health of the sire and dam, but several generations back. My little girl has half North American bloodlines and half English bloodlines. The breeder told me that the English bred boxer tends to not be as high strung as the North American bred and there are some differences in their head shape and size. Whatever the differences, my main concern was health and longevity. Again, there is no guarantee, but I feel like I may be a step ahead of the game by doing a little research. You may be better off to google european boxer breeders in the United States and find a reputable breeder that way. I have met some really nice people who were very understanding and helpful. I bought my first boxer from a breeder who showed and had several very nice dogs. I have since found out that his bloodline is well known for having the type of cancer that he had, but they win at shows and make such nice pets that the breeders continue to breed that bloodline. It doesn't make sense to me. I agree with what the others have said. You probably need to look some more.
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